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bob jenkins Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:56pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 966316)
Agreed, completely. Camron noted it happens a few times a year. That's nationwide, not for each official. A few times per year, across the nation, does not warrant such a major rule change.

Except that it gets a whole bunch of press, so it seems that something must be done.

bah!

Bad Zebra Wed Sep 02, 2015 02:15pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 966316)
A few times per year, across the nation, does not warrant such a major rule change.

Absolutely agree.

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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 966331)
You know the NFHS; they love their little bitty incremental changes. :)

That's my impression too. These two facts combined make me doubt the "clinicians" mentioned in the original post were on the mark. I would think there would at least be some mention of the situation in the most recent rule changes or points of emphasis if such a significant change was in the works.

Camron Rust Wed Sep 02, 2015 03:04pm

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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 966331)
If we're gonna do it to prevent stalling, let's set it at 30 or 35 and spice up the game at the same time.

I contend that going that low in HS would make a lot of games a mess. Forced shots, turnovers, etc. will increase for less skilled teams. If both teams are lower skilled, it could be an even uglier night than it would have otherwise been.

crosscountry55 Thu Sep 03, 2015 06:11pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 966340)
I contend that going that low in HS would make a lot of games a mess. Forced shots, turnovers, etc. will increase for less skilled teams. If both teams are lower skilled, it could be an even uglier night than it would have otherwise been.

Having worked in two states with a shot clock, I respectfully disagree. Teams that are lower skilled and/or not as well coached often lack the discipline to employ a methodical offense; they shoot or drive as quickly as possible and the shot clock rarely comes into play. There may be bad basketball, but it has nothing to do with the shot clock.

With better coaching and/or advanced play (i.e. varsity), the shot clock sometimes comes more into play but without the forced shots and goofy turnovers you describe. Even so, when I did some varsity in CA, it was not uncommon to sometimes go three or four games without a shot clock violation. I often wondered why they bothered to have one in the first place.

Camron Rust Fri Sep 04, 2015 01:15am

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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 966357)
Even so, when I did some varsity in CA, it was not uncommon to sometimes go three or four games without a shot clock violation. I often wondered why they bothered to have one in the first place.

And that is the biggest point of them all. ;)


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