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MRD Sat Jul 04, 2015 03:45pm

spin move to second
 
Does it matter which way a pitcher turns when he tries to pick a runner at second?

Rich Sat Jul 04, 2015 03:54pm

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Originally Posted by MRD (Post 964490)
Does it matter which way a pitcher turns when he tries to pick a runner at second?

No. The inside move and outside move are both legal.

bob jenkins Sun Jul 05, 2015 07:52am

Heck, he could do a cartwheel or a backflip, if he wanted to. ;)

rcaverly Sun Jul 05, 2015 02:02pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 964500)
Heck, he could...

As long it as it wasn't an attempt to deceive the runner or make a travesty of the game. Oh, wait...

john5396 Mon Jul 06, 2015 07:46am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 964500)
Heck, he could do a cartwheel or a backflip, if he wanted to. ;)

Backflip, not legal. Backflip with 1/2 twist - legal. After all he has step toward the base with his non pivot foot....

ozzy6900 Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:45am

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Originally Posted by rcaverly (Post 964513)
As long it as it wasn't an attempt to deceive the runner or make a travesty of the game. Oh, wait...

Deceiving the runner is part of the pitcher's job. A properly executed pick off always involves deceiving the runner. The question is was the deception legal or illegal.

MRD Mon Jul 06, 2015 07:23pm

spin move to second
 
According to the MHSAA office in E. Lansing, Mi without disengaging it is impossible for a pitcher to spin clockwise without making a movement towards home, therefore , their interpretation is that a clockwise spin constitutes a balk

MRD Mon Jul 06, 2015 07:26pm

oops! I meant counterclockwise

DG Mon Jul 06, 2015 09:58pm

The MHSAA office should get out of the office and watch some baseball.

Rich Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:16pm

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Originally Posted by DG (Post 964563)
The MHSAA office should get out of the office and watch some baseball.

And should stop at Walmart on the way to buy three clues for a dollar.

youngump Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:29pm

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Originally Posted by MRD (Post 964558)
According to the MHSAA office in E. Lansing, Mi without disengaging it is impossible for a pitcher to spin clockwise without making a movement towards home, therefore , their interpretation is that a clockwise spin constitutes a balk

Besides the general counterintuitiveness of this position wouldn't it matter which hand the pitcher was throwing with which way they couldn't spin?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:37pm

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Originally Posted by DG (Post 964563)
The MHSAA office should get out of the office and watch some baseball.


As both OhioHSAA and MichiganHSAA registered baseball umpires, but MTD, Jr., and I concur with your assessment. We have seen it at least a half a dozen times this year in both Ohio and Michigan.

MTD, Sr.

Rita C Tue Jul 07, 2015 03:26am

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Originally Posted by youngump (Post 964565)
Besides the general counterintuitiveness of this position wouldn't it matter which hand the pitcher was throwing with which way they couldn't spin?

Yep. Shows they need one more clue.

Rita

Rita C Tue Jul 07, 2015 03:27am

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Originally Posted by MRD (Post 964490)
Does it matter which way a pitcher turns when he tries to pick a runner at second?

There just can't be a hesitation toward first.

Rita

bob jenkins Tue Jul 07, 2015 08:59am

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Originally Posted by MRD (Post 964558)
According to the MHSAA office in E. Lansing, Mi without disengaging it is impossible for a pitcher to spin clockwise without making a movement towards home, therefore , their interpretation is that a clockwise spin constitutes a balk

Are you sure they don't mean *after* picking up the pivot foot (toward the balance point; for a RH pitcher)?

Otherwise, I agree with the rest of the comments.


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