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rbmartin Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:18pm
"Batted Ball" defined?
 
I was researching a scenario the other day ("A FOUL BALL is a batted ball that settles...") (" A FOUL TIP is a batted ball that...) and could not find a definition of "Batted Ball" in either NFHS or OBR.
Does a book definition exist anywhere?

bob jenkins Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by rbmartin (Post 958056)
I was researching a scenario the other day ("A FOUL BALL is a batted ball that settles...") (" A FOUL TIP is a batted ball that...) and could not find a definition of "Batted Ball" in either NFHS or OBR.
Does a book definition exist anywhere?
Well, FED 2-6 is titled "BATTED BALL", so I'd start there. ;)

rbmartin Sun Mar 22, 2015 02:50pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 958061)
Well, FED 2-6 is titled "BATTED BALL", so I'd start there. ;)
OK, I read it. Now what is the definition of a batted ball?

Rich Ives Sun Mar 22, 2015 03:19pm
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Originally Posted by rbmartin (Post 958757)
OK, I read it. Now what is the definition of a batted ball?
Seriously?

A pitch that has contacted the bat.

A foul tip is a batted ball that goes sharp and direct to the catcher's hand or glove and is legally caught. What are the definitions of "sharp", "direct", "glove", and "hand"? What if the catcher is using a mitt, not a glove? Is it a foul tip then?

jicecone Sun Mar 22, 2015 03:31pm
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Originally Posted by rbmartin (Post 958757)
OK, I read it. Now what is the definition of a batted ball?
ART. 1 ... A batted or thrown ball is in flight until it has touched the ground
or some object other than a fielder.
ART. 2 ... A fly ball is a batted ball which rises an appreciable height above
the ground.
ART. 3 ... A line drive is a batted ball which travels parallel, or nearly so, with
the ground through most of its flight.
ART. 4 ... A ground ball is one which is neither a fly nor a line drive.

Not trying to be a smart a** however, of the definitions you have now read, which one don't you understand.

A foul ball?
A foul tip?
A fly ball?
A line drive?
A ground ball?

All of which are the result of a batted ball.

rbmartin Sun Mar 22, 2015 08:08pm
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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 958758)
Seriously?

A pitch that has contacted the bat.
This would be my definition as well (provided the ball is still live at time of contact).

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Originally Posted by jicecone (Post 958759)

Not trying to be a smart a** however, of the definitions you have now read, which one don't you understand.

I understand the rule very well and agree with both of you gentlemen. However, in researching a previously posted question (regarding a foul tip in which the batter made no effort to swing) I could not find a definition of "batted ball" which would have definitively settled the matter. (although the rules sited by jicecone should be enough for any rational person.)
In one of Carl Childress's books the encouraged umpires to read and memorize the rules in order to prevent controversy , which I try to do. I was just looking for the most expedient way to end the discussion should it come up in a game. I can envision an idiot coach saying "It doesn't matter if the ball went sharply and directly into the catchers mitt. My player did not intend to swing therefore the ball was not a batted ball."
I wanted to have a rule memorized to stop such lunacy.

johnnyg08 Sun Mar 22, 2015 08:48pm
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Originally Posted by rbmartin (Post 958784)
This would be my definition as well (provided the ball is still live at time of contact).



I understand the rule very well and agree with both of you gentlemen. However, in researching a previously posted question (regarding a foul tip in which the batter made no effort to swing) I could not find a definition of "batted ball" which would have definitively settled the matter. (although the rules sited by jicecone should be enough for any rational person.)
In one of Carl Childress's books the encouraged umpires to read and memorize the rules in order to prevent controversy , which I try to do. I was just looking for the most expedient way to end the discussion should it come up in a game. I can envision an idiot coach saying "It doesn't matter if the ball went sharply and directly into the catchers mitt. My player did not intend to swing therefore the ball was not a batted ball."
I wanted to have a rule memorized to stop such lunacy.

You will never rid the game of lunacy. Just keep learning the rules.

Rich Ives Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:58pm
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Originally Posted by rbmartin (Post 958784)
This would be my definition as well (provided the ball is still live at time of contact).



I understand the rule very well and agree with both of you gentlemen. However, in researching a previously posted question (regarding a foul tip in which the batter made no effort to swing) I could not find a definition of "batted ball" which would have definitively settled the matter. (although the rules sited by jicecone should be enough for any rational person.)
In one of Carl Childress's books the encouraged umpires to read and memorize the rules in order to prevent controversy , which I try to do. I was just looking for the most expedient way to end the discussion should it come up in a game. I can envision an idiot coach saying "It doesn't matter if the ball went sharply and directly into the catchers mitt. My player did not intend to swing therefore the ball was not a batted ball."
I wanted to have a rule memorized to stop such lunacy.
Everyone knows that if the batter ducks, makes no attempt to swing, and the pitch hits the bat it's a batted ball. Use that.

rbmartin Mon Mar 23, 2015 04:39am
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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 958825)
Everyone knows that if the batter ducks, makes no attempt to swing, and the pitch hits the bat it's a batted ball. Use that.
I'd just prefer to see it in writing. That's all.
"Everyone knows that..." can be the prelude to a lot of incorrect statements.

johnnyg08 Mon Mar 23, 2015 06:52am
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Originally Posted by rbmartin (Post 958850)
I'd just prefer to see it in writing. That's all.
"Everyone knows that..." can be the prelude to a lot of incorrect statements.

Not everything is written down. It's actually a good thing.

etn_ump Fri Mar 27, 2015 01:43pm
Like johnny08 said, everything's not written down.

The location of the restroom probably isn't written down, but I bet you could find it.

jTheUmp Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:18pm
"I don't understand. How did you know where the mess hall was if it's not in this book?"
"Well, I guess I just followed the crowd at chow time, sir."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgIBG8q1Gjc

Rich Ives Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 959517)
"I don't understand. How did you know where the mess hall was if it's not in this book?"
"Well, I guess I just followed the crowd at chow time, sir."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgIBG8q1Gjc
It takes a few good men.

voiceoflg Tue Mar 31, 2015 07:53am
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Originally Posted by rbmartin (Post 958850)
I'd just prefer to see it in writing. That's all.
"Everyone knows that..." can be the prelude to a lot of incorrect statements.
Indeed. I have heard "everyone knows the hands are part of the bat" numerous times. It doesn't make it so.


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