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harmbu Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:54pm
Does the Run Score or Not?
 
I am looking at the DEAD BALL AND DELAYED DEAD BALL TABLE on page 35 in the 2014 NFHS RULES BOOK to address a situation in our game from today.

Bases loaded with one out. Batter hits a ground ball toward shortstop and the ball hits the runner going from second to third. The ball is called dead immediately. The runner was declared out but the question was whether or not the runner on third base scores or returns to third base. According to item #13 on the table the activity is: Fair ball touches runner before it touches an infielder or after it passes any infielder except the pitcher and another fielder has a play........5-1-1f

The Awards or Penalties says: Hit runner is out. Batter awarded first base is credited with single. Others return to base occupied at time of interference unless forced by batter-runner.

If I am understanding this correctly, the runner should have scored and not be returned to third base.

Am I missing something?

Rich Ives Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:56pm
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Originally Posted by harmbu (Post 940080)
I am looking at the DEAD BALL AND DELAYED DEAD BALL TABLE on page 35 in the 2014 NFHS RULES BOOK to address a situation in our game from today.

Bases loaded with one out. Batter hits a ground ball toward shortstop and the ball hits the runner going from second to third. The ball is called dead immediately. The runner was declared out but the question was whether or not the runner on third base scores or returns to third base. According to item #13 on the table the activity is: Fair ball touches runner before it touches an infielder or after it passes any infielder except the pitcher and another fielder has a play........5-1-1f

The Awards or Penalties says: Hit runner is out. Batter awarded first base is credited with single. Others return to base occupied at time of interference unless forced by batter-runner.

If I am understanding this correctly, the runner should have scored and not be returned to third base.

Am I missing something?
Yes - the out on the runner from 2B erased the force on the runner on third. Therefore he was not forced. Therefore he returns.

bob jenkins Sun Sep 14, 2014 08:20am
Just to clarify the OP -- R3 had crossed the plate before R2 was hit by the batted ball?

That would be a rare occurrence.

Rich Ives Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:58am
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 940093)
Just to clarify the OP -- R3 had crossed the plate before R2 was hit by the batted ball?

That would be a rare occurrence.
I know this is a FED question but FYI in OBR no run can score on this play.

7.08 Any runner is out when— (f) He is touched by a fair ball in fair territory before the ball has touched or passed an infielder. The ball is dead and no runner may score, nor runners advance, except runners forced to advance.

Matt Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 940081)
Yes - the out on the runner from 2B erased the force on the runner on third. Therefore he was not forced. Therefore he returns.
No, he doesn't in FED. He's scored.

Likewise, if you have R1 and R2 (normal nomenclature,) and R2 is around 3B when R1 is hit by a batted ball. R2 is only returned to 3B in FED.

Rich Ives Sun Sep 14, 2014 03:42pm
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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 940101)
No, he doesn't in FED. He's scored.

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Only if he scored before the interference.

MD Longhorn Mon Sep 15, 2014 08:16am
Quote:
Originally Posted by harmbu (Post 940080)
I am looking at the DEAD BALL AND DELAYED DEAD BALL TABLE on page 35 in the 2014 NFHS RULES BOOK to address a situation in our game from today.

Bases loaded with one out. Batter hits a ground ball toward shortstop and the ball hits the runner going from second to third. The ball is called dead immediately. The runner was declared out but the question was whether or not the runner on third base scores or returns to third base. According to item #13 on the table the activity is: Fair ball touches runner before it touches an infielder or after it passes any infielder except the pitcher and another fielder has a play........5-1-1f

The Awards or Penalties says: Hit runner is out. Batter awarded first base is credited with single. Others return to base occupied at time of interference unless forced by batter-runner.

If I am understanding this correctly, the runner should have scored and not be returned to third base.

Am I missing something?
Yes - you missed this: "Others return to base occupied at time of interference" No run. Return runner to third - the base occupied at the time of interference.

MD Longhorn Mon Sep 15, 2014 08:17am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt (Post 940101)
No, he doesn't in FED. He's scored.
I don't believe he was saying the runner had crossed the plate at the time of interference. In my 22 years, I've seen that happen exactly zero times.

bob jenkins Mon Sep 15, 2014 09:13am
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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 940127)
I don't believe he was saying the runner had crossed the plate at the time of interference. In my 22 years, I've seen that happen exactly zero times.
Exactly why I asked for clarification in post #3.

Either way, though, I think the answers have been posted.

and, yes, it is a rule difference from OBR.

Matt Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:19am
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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 940127)
I don't believe he was saying the runner had crossed the plate at the time of interference. In my 22 years, I've seen that happen exactly zero times.
And I was thinking he was implying that.

I've seen it once.


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