UVA Vandy collision (Video)
 

Can one of the NCAA guys explain what the decision on the baserunners was in the 8th on the collision at third?

thanks

They called the runner out for OFFENSIVE INTERFERENCE, not out because he was tagged.

6-2-g:
A.R. 2—
If the umpire declares the batter, batter-runner or a runner out for offensive
interference, all other runners shall return to the last base that was legally attained at the time of the interference.

Third base still legally belonged to the runner who was called out for interference, therefore the following runner was only legally entitled to second.

Didn't see the play, but the same ruling would hold true in OBR and FED.

I don't see how that MC wasn't called on Papi. You could clearly see that he dropped his shoulder into F5.

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Just curious on this sitch... how is he supposed to get back to the base with the fielder standing directly in his way?

Somehow other than dropping his right shoulder and plowing into F5. I'm not arguing that the fielder is between the runner and 3B, I'm saying he dropped his shoulder, should have been MC.

The easy answer is ... he's not.

The fielder has the ball and is between him and the base... why would you think there must be a way that he's "supposed" to get back to the base?

Exactly right. Sometimes the runner should just accept that he's going to be out.

Does anyone else have MC on Papi?

Unless you have seen the entire play, I am not sure how anyone can make a call from the sitting position at home. There is just not enough shown here.

Fair enough jicecone

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MC. Of course, I have the benefit of seeing it in slow-mo from a better angle than any of the umpires.

JJ

Thanks JJ.

Your right, easy call. MC. Definitely dropped the shoulder.

I was watching in real time and told my wife they were going to eject him. Didn't take replay for me. I thought the runner's interference was a lame call.

Once again, we have a runner getting into a situation where he needs to cover up (protect himself) in a collision.

"He lowered his shoulder" - Really? The runner bent over at the waist and put both arms up to protect his face and head!

What is he supposed to do, go in with his hands in his pockets? Yeah, a lot of you say he should have given himself up... I do not agree.

I agree, that's what should have been called, U3 might not have seen it but U2 or PU should have been able to see it clearly.

As Rich said, sometimes you are just out - F5 has the ball he was on the inside of the play as you are taught - the runner had a path to the bag and chose to try and dislodge the ball via contact.

Thanks
David

So in OBR, a runner collides at home with the catcher waiting with the ball, and the runner would be ruled out for interference, and we send the previous runner who is now standing on third back to second? I've never seen that called in OBR.

Really? If that were the case, then the defense could tag a following runner who is standing on third base before tagging out a lead runner caught in a rundown between third and home, and get credited with a double play. Surely the following runner is legally entitled to third until the lead runner returns and occupies third as well.

Ozzy, the runner was 100% responsible for this collision. The fielder didn't even move from his spot. The runner ran full steam over the fielder and had every intention of running him over. I'd be with you if this was one of those throws from the outfield where the fielder suddenly moves... but he was standing perfectly still.

This is clearly malicious and should have been an ejection.

Not at all what I said.

Given that there was INT during the rundown, R2 would be returned to second even if he was touching third at the time of INT.

Not true. He can't be tagged out if he is the only one on the base, but he doesn't legally occupy it.

There's a specific comment in the rule book on this play that applies.

Then I guess I've been misunderstanding OBR 7.01 all these years.

"The runner bent over at the waist and put both arms up to protect his face and head!"

From what Oz?

I agree, that baseball is a much different game than how it was played 30 years ago but, it is not 30 years ago Oz.

There is a semantic problem in 7. But if you read the "his" in 7.08(c) as He is tagged...,while off a base you should be able to resolve it.

Or read this thread and see if we convinced anyone:http://forum.officiating.com/basebal...situation.html

Actually, it is his base for the time being, but his ownership is subject to revocation should the deed holder return.

Sorry, I do not agree with MC on this one. I've watched the video several times and all I see is R3 trying to get back to the base and a collision. R3 was covering up to protect himself.

Yes, really. For the reasons laid out by other posters.

There is a difference between "legally entitled to" as it applies to liability to be out if tagged, and "legally acquired" as it applies to base placement after interference.

On a side note, I'm not sure how U3 can call interference here. Can someone explain that to me?

Here's the NCAA Collision Rule:

Collision Rule
SECTION 7. The rules committee is concerned about unnecessary and violent
collisions with the catcher at home plate, and with infielders at all bases. The
intent of this rule is to encourage base runners and defensive players to avoid such
collisions whenever possible.
When there is a collision between a runner and a fielder who clearly is in
possession of the ball, the umpire shall judge:
If the defensive player blocks the base (plate) or base line with clear possession
of the ball, the runner may make contact, slide into or make contact with a fielder
as long as the runner is making a legitimate attempt to reach the base (plate).
Contact above the waist that was initiated by the base runner shall not be judged
as an attempt to reach the base or plate.
(1) The runner must make an actual attempt to reach the base (plate).
PENALTY—If the runner attempts to dislodge the ball or initiates an
avoidable collision, the runner shall be declared out, even if
the fielder loses possession of the ball. The ball is dead and all
other base runners shall return to the last base touched at the
time of the interference.
(2) The runner may not attempt to dislodge the ball from the fielder. Contact
above the waist shall be judged by the umpire as an attempt by the runner
to dislodge the ball.
PENALTY—If the contact is flagrant or malicious before the runner touches
the plate, the runner shall be declared out and also ejected from
the contest. The ball is immediately dead and all other base
runners shall return to the last base touched at the time of the
interference.
(3) The runner must attempt to avoid a collision if he can reach the base
without colliding.
PENALTY—If the contact is flagrant or malicious after the runner touches
the base (plate), the runner is safe, but is ejected from the
contest. The ball is immediately dead and all other base
runners shall return to the last base touched at the time of the
interference. If this occurs at any base other than home, the
offending team may replace the runner.
If the contact occurs after a preceding runner touches home
plate, the preceding runner is safe. The ball is immediately
dead and all other base runners shall return to the last base
touched at the time of the contact.
(4) If the runner’s path to the base is blocked and (1), (2) and (3) are fulfilled,
it is considered unavoidable contact (see Rule 2-54, Obstruction).

Thank you for the reference.

You are right.... baseball has turned into a sissy's game!

You must have seen a different view. All I see from the video provided is a very short clip of a runner a step from the base who could be falling forward or could be lowering a shoulder.

I saw the play while watching the game.

Now the actual video of the play is showing on the first page. I could not get it showing before.

Having seen the entire play, MC, ejection, no question in my mind.