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Old Sun May 04, 2014, 03:40pm
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Foul Tip

I would have called Foul Ball.
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Old Sun May 04, 2014, 05:56pm
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Can't watch the video, but does it make a difference? If he caught it before it hit the ground, isn't it either a fly out or a foul tip held by the catcher after 2 previous strikes? I could see differences if further plays were possible, but as to the batter, isn't he out either way? Or is there some in-between where a ball hit into foul ground can neither be caught there for an out nor considered a tip direct to the catcher?
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Old Sun May 04, 2014, 06:22pm
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Can't watch the video, but does it make a difference? If he caught it before it hit the ground, isn't it either a fly out or a foul tip held by the catcher after 2 previous strikes? I could see differences if further plays were possible, but as to the batter, isn't he out either way? Or is there some in-between where a ball hit into foul ground can neither be caught there for an out nor considered a tip direct to the catcher?
Ditto on not watching the video (could not even follow the link), but to be a foul tip, it must first hit the glove or hand. If it first hits the mask, or protector, or thigh, then it's just a foul ball.
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Old Sun May 04, 2014, 07:22pm
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Old Sun May 04, 2014, 07:25pm
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This takes you to a way to download an app. You probably should use a more direct link.

That being said, this was a foul ball. He never caught the ball with his glove.

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This takes you to a way to download an app. You probably should use a more direct link.

That being said, this was a foul ball. He never caught the ball with his glove.

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And, it was not a fly ball. But what did the ump see and rule to get an out?
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Old Sun May 04, 2014, 10:01pm
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And, it was not a fly ball. But what did the ump see and rule to get an out?
Well the ball never hit the ground. I think umpire assumed he caught the ball and it appears no one challenged that ruling.

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Old Mon May 05, 2014, 08:24am
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Yadier Molina completes strikeout by catching a foul tip with his knee | MLB.com
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Old Mon May 05, 2014, 08:38am
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Should have been a foul ball. Impossible to see from the plate (depending on what happened after the .gif that they don't show us). ::shrug::
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Old Mon May 05, 2014, 10:50am
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Should have been a foul ball. Impossible to see from the plate (depending on what happened after the .gif that they don't show us). ::shrug::
Did anyone ask the PU to ask for help--he's got three partners. If questioned, I'd go to my partner and ask what he had. Get it right, no?
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Old Mon May 05, 2014, 11:30am
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Did anyone ask the PU to ask for help--he's got three partners. If questioned, I'd go to my partner and ask what he had. Get it right, no?
That's the issue.
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Why can't the BU just make the call if they clearly see this? It was not even close. That was the reason Molina was hurt, the ball hit his thigh.

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Old Mon May 05, 2014, 12:19pm
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Why can't the BU just make the call if they clearly see this? It was not even close. That was the reason Molina was hurt, the ball hit his thigh.

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These reasons occur to me:
(1) Some version of "that's my call, unless I ask for your help." At my level, it's something to discuss in the pre-game; usually, we would treat this as something the BU could jump in quickly, like a 3d-strike pitch in the dirt or a shot that jumps up and hits the batter in the box.
(2) You can't overrule your partner. If he needs or wants your help, he'll ask for it.
(3) If your partner calls X, and you, equally positive, call Y, what a mess!
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Old Mon May 05, 2014, 12:47pm
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These reasons occur to me:
(1) Some version of "that's my call, unless I ask for your help." At my level, it's something to discuss in the pre-game; usually, we would treat this as something the BU could jump in quickly, like a 3d-strike pitch in the dirt or a shot that jumps up and hits the batter in the box.
(2) You can't overrule your partner. If he needs or wants your help, he'll ask for it.
(3) If your partner calls X, and you, equally positive, call Y, what a mess!
When I worked baseball, this would have been discussed by me as the PU/UIC to have my partners call a foul ball immediately if they saw one on a play like this. If they did not see anything, then I would not expect them to make a call. But I discussed this so that they were empowered to do their job. Of course there were things I would have to ask about to be sure and sometimes that might be because the coach wanted to know something, but I already knew the answer by what we discussed in pregame with my partner.

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Do you think that maybe the No. 1 reason it probably wasn't called correctly was...........

NO ONE SAW IT!

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