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Foul Tip
I would have called Foul Ball.
Thoughts. .. CBSSports.com APP 550220/video-yadier-molina-catches-foul-tip-with-thigh-no-really |
Can't watch the video, but does it make a difference? If he caught it before it hit the ground, isn't it either a fly out or a foul tip held by the catcher after 2 previous strikes? I could see differences if further plays were possible, but as to the batter, isn't he out either way? Or is there some in-between where a ball hit into foul ground can neither be caught there for an out nor considered a tip direct to the catcher?
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That being said, this was a foul ball. He never caught the ball with his glove. Peace |
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Should have been a foul ball. Impossible to see from the plate (depending on what happened after the .gif that they don't show us). ::shrug::
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Why can't the BU just make the call if they clearly see this? It was not even close. That was the reason Molina was hurt, the ball hit his thigh.
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(1) Some version of "that's my call, unless I ask for your help." At my level, it's something to discuss in the pre-game; usually, we would treat this as something the BU could jump in quickly, like a 3d-strike pitch in the dirt or a shot that jumps up and hits the batter in the box. (2) You can't overrule your partner. If he needs or wants your help, he'll ask for it. (3) If your partner calls X, and you, equally positive, call Y, what a mess! |
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Do you think that maybe the No. 1 reason it probably wasn't called correctly was...........
NO ONE SAW IT! PERHAPS:confused::confused::confused: |
I think they did not see it. But based on how many other things MLB umpires have seen across the field or what clearly was not there call; if they didn't see it that is odd to me at least. And I am not being critical saying that, just do not know why they would not see this. Better yet I am surprised that no coach or team member on the Cubs did not say a thing either, other than complete ignorance (surprise) of the rule.
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NFHS - "A fly ball is a batted ball that rises an appreciable height above the ground." NCAA - A batted ball that goes high in the air directly off the bat. I think the NCAA definition using the word highlighted, answers your question for all codes. You, as the umpire, are to make the determination what "high in the air" or "appreciable height" means. |
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2.00 A FOUL TIP is a batted ball that goes sharp and direct from the bat to the catcher’s hands and is legally caught. It is not a foul tip unless caught and any foul tip that is caught is a strike, and the ball is in play. It is not a catch if it is a rebound, unless the ball has first touched the catcher’s glove or hand. |
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I'm looking at NCAA 7-11 now, and I don't see any provision for a catch of anything other than a fly ball or foul tip to make an out. Which does seem to mean you can't line out, fair or foul. Did they sneak it in someplace else? The definition of "catch" is interesting too. When it says "the fielder does not use...any...part of the uniform in getting possession", does that mean only loose-fitting parts of the uniform that can extend a distance from the body, or does it include any cloth covering any of the player's skin, no matter how closely? And does "use" cover inadvertent deflections, or only deliberate use? |
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From OBR foul tip; the last sentence. "It is not a catch if it is a rebound, unless the ball has first touched the catcher’s glove or hand." |
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Any other batted ball that's caught in flight is an out. |
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But, Dems Da Rules and sometimes you just have to umpire by prior interprtations and precedence and not logic, feelings or the way your local sportscaster thinks it should be. |
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The reason this likely was missed is simple. From the PU's point of view, it make have looked like it clipped the glove between when it left the bat and when it hit the catchers thigh. If it had hit the catchers glove, then the thigh and was subsequently controlled without touching the ground, it is a foul tip and thus strike 3 on the batter.
Looking at the play in slow motion, it looks like it might just clip the glove of the catcher going back. It certainly isn't a significant contact, but it might just graze the glove as it goes back, which satisfies the rule. |
A third strike is legally caught by the catcher;
Rule 6.05(b) Comment: “Legally caught” means in the catcher’s glove before the ball touches the ground. It is not legal if the ball lodges in his clothing or paraphernalia; or if it touches the umpire and is caught by the catcher on the rebound. If a foul tip first strikes the catcher’s glove and then goes on through and is caught by both hands against his body or protector, before the ball touches the ground, it is a strike, and if third strike, batter is out. If smothered against his body or protector, it is a catch provided the ball struck the catcher’s glove or hand first. (c) |
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