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Multiple Sports Fri Aug 23, 2013 04:52pm

LLWS - Washington / Connecticut
 
Well........

Did they get it right ???????

Rich Ives Fri Aug 23, 2013 05:48pm

I'm thinking train wreck but the result was the same - an out and a runner on third.

bob jenkins Sat Aug 24, 2013 06:32am

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Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 903230)
Well........

Did they get it right ???????

Based on that description, I'd say it's a HTBT, so I'd side with the umpires.

Oh, wait -- you said LLWS. I might change my mind.

aceholleran Sat Aug 24, 2013 07:57am

Yep, I've got a train wreck, and, as Rich said, same result, except original R2 is now on 3B and R3 is out in the pickle.

To me, using CS&FP rule book, both F6 and R2 were doing what they were supposed to.

Did anyone see the "sitting" tag at 2B? R1. 1 out. B1 grounds to F3, who steps on first in plenty of time and throws to F6 at 2B. He applies tag (which looked to be an out) and his glove his tucked under R1's leg for a good second or two. When he tries to show ball to U2, the rock squirts out. U2 calls out, then safe.

I am leaning toward an out here. F6 was trying to show the ball. R1 did not kick it out or anything of the sort. Verrrrrrry interesting. I'm hoping a Jacksa-Roder expert will check in.

Ace

RPatrino Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:41am

Guys on another board are of the opinion that F6 is afforded some protection on an already fielded ball, and I have not heard what protection they feel he should be given. He has possession of the ball, the runner has the lane, and a fielder with a ball coming at him would cause the runner to stop or try to go around, but he is not obligated to do either by rule. Was F6 trying to throw the ball home when R2 hit him?

BayStateRef Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:00am

The Video
 
Video is here.
Connecticut Wins Thriller In LLWS - ESPN Video - ESPN

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You will have to deal with a commercial first. (Video will start at 1:40, which is the start of the play in question.)

RPatrino Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:19am

I have a train wreck, I don't see the fielder getting protection while running around the infield with a ball.

rbmartin Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:25am

2.00—Definitions of Terms.

OBSTRUCTION is the act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball and not in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of any runner.

INTERFERENCE (a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play.

Obstruction? NO (you cannot obstruct if you possess the ball).
Interference? Maybe technically because it states "A PLAY" not just "A THROW" (you could be attempting to make a play while running around with the ball). I would not have called it here. I think "Train Wreck...play on" is the proper ruling here.

RPatrino Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:53am

That is the key to this judgement call. If you judge the fielder was making a play when he was hit by R2, then you have interference. I couldn't tell from the video clip where the fielder was thinking about making a play.

rbmartin Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:10pm

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Originally Posted by RPatrino (Post 903298)
I couldn't tell from the video clip where the fielder was thinking about making a play.

Good point. I would say he was running with the ball thinking about making a play, not actually making one.

jwwashburn Sat Aug 24, 2013 01:18pm

If the SS would have tagged the runner instead of running into him that might have been a good idea:-)

Steven Tyler Sat Aug 24, 2013 03:37pm

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Originally Posted by aceholleran (Post 903261)

I am leaning toward an out here. F6 was trying to show the ball. R1 did not kick it out or anything of the sort.


Ace

It looked to me the ball might have very well been kicked out judging from the F6's reaction.

Steven Tyler Sat Aug 24, 2013 03:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPatrino (Post 903289)
Guys on another board are of the opinion that F6 is afforded some protection on an already fielded ball, and I have not heard what protection they feel he should be given. He has possession of the ball, the runner has the lane, and a fielder with a ball coming at him would cause the runner to stop or try to go around, but he is not obligated to do either by rule. Was F6 trying to throw the ball home when R2 hit him?

What other board? Evans' board has turned into Smittyville. Haven't looked over there in a long time.

robbie Sat Aug 24, 2013 04:39pm

Dead ball. Interference. And I dont even see a coach coming to question / complain. No brainer.

RPatrino Sat Aug 24, 2013 05:14pm

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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 903330)
What other board? Evans' board has turned into Smittyville. Haven't looked over there in a long time.

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