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Old Fri Aug 02, 2013, 07:14pm
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Here we go again....

....Gerry Davis loses the count: Umpire calls upstairs to check the count - YouTube



You think a guy - who probably makes pretty good money SELLING indicators - would actually USE one

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Old Fri Aug 02, 2013, 10:33pm
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You think a guy - who probably makes pretty good money SELLING indicators - would actually USE one
He has an indicator in his left hand when he calls time. He just puts it in his bag.
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Old Sat Aug 03, 2013, 12:22am
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weird, I guess he had to call up the official scorer - ? You would think that the scorer would ensure that the right count is on the scoreboard etc.,

Oh well, we've all lost the count before ...

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Old Sat Aug 03, 2013, 08:07am
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I've done that before. It looks better to do it that way then to get it wrong. I see no issue w/ what Davis did.
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Old Sat Aug 03, 2013, 08:48am
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Who had the count right / wrong? I didn't see Davis give the count, the announcers have 3-2 but the stat box on the screen has 2-2 and they don't usually get that from the umpire.
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Old Sat Aug 03, 2013, 11:19am
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The stat box on screen shows 2-2 both before and after the pitch that gets by the catcher.

What does usage of an indicator have to do with losing track of the count? All the video instances I see of this occurring in professional baseball have a common denominator--the umpire uses an indicator. Then, just like in amateur baseball, when someone disagrees with the count, they want the guy with an indicator to get verification from the guys without one.

I don't use one, and I lose track of the count on occasion--just like I did back in the days when I DID use an indicator. I have partners who use one and partners who don't, and they all lose track on occasion.
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Old Sat Aug 03, 2013, 03:06pm
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What exactly does the title of the post supposed to mean?
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weird, I guess he had to call up the official scorer - ? You would think that the scorer would ensure that the right count is on the scoreboard etc.
I've been to a few Nats games this season, and I have on rare occasion seen where the scoreboard doesn't have the correct count. So I'm guessing that MLB umpires don't use what's on the scoreboard to straighten themselves out.
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Old Mon Aug 05, 2013, 09:43am
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weird, I guess he had to call up the official scorer - ? You would think that the scorer would ensure that the right count is on the scoreboard etc.,

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Old Mon Aug 05, 2013, 06:39pm
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weird, I guess he had to call up the official scorer - ? You would think that the scorer would ensure that the right count is on the scoreboard etc.,

Oh well, we've all lost the count before ...
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Old Mon Aug 05, 2013, 09:22pm
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Then who else in the stadium is tasked with keeping an accurate count of balls and strikes if it's not the guy who is writing down everything about the game including balls and strikes?
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Old Mon Aug 05, 2013, 10:53pm
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Then who else in the stadium is tasked with keeping an accurate count of balls and strikes if it's not the guy who is writing down everything about the game including balls and strikes?
It's the plate umpire's job.
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Old Mon Aug 05, 2013, 10:58pm
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Then who else in the stadium is tasked with keeping an accurate count of balls and strikes if it's not the guy who is writing down everything about the game including balls and strikes?
Balls and strikes are not official stats (neither are holds and blown saves) so the OS does not report on these. See http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y20...ball_rules.pdf
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The pitch counts, holds and blown saves are done by on site in the press box stringers who input games for MLB.com or STATS.
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It's the plate umpire's job.
Well that was helpful.
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Balls and strikes are not official stats (neither are holds and blown saves) so the OS does not report on these.
There's a difference between reporting official statistics at the end of a game, which is what OBR 10.02 requires, and maintaining track of those "unofficial" stats during the course of the game. Somebody in the press box is responsible for keeping real-time balls and strikes count; if that wasn't the case, then there'd be no reason for Gerry Davis to make the phone call.
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