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ozzy6900 Sun Jul 14, 2013 08:52am

Twins Interference @1st Base
 
Here's the video:
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Love the announcers on this one.

bluehair Sun Jul 14, 2013 09:48am

Bailed out
 
In a Fed game where the quality of the throw is not considered, this is interference. In an MLB game, I don't think so. You have to be able to make a better 50 foot throw than that. Yes, BR did not have 2 feet running in the RL, but it wasn't like he was running 3 feet into fair territory and blocking the desired throwing path. F1 just made a poor throw and PU bailed him out.

But in a year when MLB umpires have missed some rules, I can understand why this call was made. :(

Dave Reed Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:46am

Bluehair,
What? That wasn't a good enough throw? It was easily catchable if it hadn't hit the runner, and that's all that is required regarding the throw.

bluehair Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:28am

No, I don't think it was good enough. If BR had been in the running lane and exited as he has the right to do, the throw would probably still have hit him. F1 had a clear (wide enough) throwing path, but didn't use it. Not a quality 50' throw.

CT1 Sun Jul 14, 2013 02:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluehair (Post 899945)
If BR had been in the running lane and exited as he has the right to do, the throw would probably still have hit him.

Maybe, maybe not.

But if he had been in the lane until his last step (as required by rule), he might well have gotten the benefit of the doubt.

ozzy6900 Sun Jul 14, 2013 03:58pm

Interesting, exact same post on two different boards. Note too that the locations are different for ricka56 and bluehair.

So who is full of $hit here?

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http://www.umpire.org/vb/images/icons/icon1.gif Re: Twins Interference @1st Base
<hr style="color:#3f6586; background-color:#3f6586" size="1"> In a Fed game where the quality of the throw is not considered, this is interference. In an MLB game, I don't think so. You have to be able to make a better 50 foot throw than that. Yes, BR did not have 2 feet running in the RL, but it wasn't like he was running 3 feet into fair territory and blocking the desired throwing path. F1 just made a poor throw and PU bailed him out.

But in a year when MLB umpires have missed some rules, I can understand why this call was made. http://www.umpire.org/vb/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif

bob jenkins Sun Jul 14, 2013 04:08pm

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Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 899950)
Maybe, maybe not.

But if he had been in the lane until his last step (as required by rule), he might well have gotten the benefit of the doubt.

No benefit needed. If you are in the running lane until your last step (or maybe two), then you are legal even if you leave the lane in that last step. If you're out of the lane the whole way, then you're still out of the lane in your last step.

And the throw was right to the bag -- that's going to be a "quality throw" at every level.

dash_riprock Sun Jul 14, 2013 04:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 899952)

And the throw was right to the bag -- that's going to be a "quality throw" at every level.

+1. F2 does not have to hit a spot.

jicecone Sun Jul 14, 2013 06:32pm

Good call from my chair. BR out of lane, get plunked, he's out.

The quality of a throw doesn't mean too much if your not allowed to catch it because the BR was not where he was supposed to be.

bluehair Sun Jul 14, 2013 09:22pm

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Originally Posted by ozzy6900 (Post 899951)
Interesting, exact same post on two different boards. Note too that the locations are different for ricka56 and bluehair.

Anonomity ??? :eek: he really doesn't live in Bearded Clam? :eek:
Same posts (same opinions) :eek: Nice work Dick Tracy.
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MD Longhorn Mon Jul 15, 2013 08:58am

Textbook RLI. Blue's contrary opinion only solidifies that.

ozzy6900 Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:41am

I proved my point and that's all I wanted to do.

Dakota Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:48am

As a Twins fan (hard to be one these days), when I heard the local TV sports guy report on the call, I looked for the video of the play to see what all the controversy was about.

Yawn... good call.

Manny A Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluehair (Post 899945)
F1 had a clear (wide enough) throwing path, but didn't use it.

And he doesn't have to. All he has to do is throw the ball such that F3 (or whoever's covering first) is able to take the throw at first base. You're putting the onus on the defense to make throws that will avoid batter-runners who are outside the lane.

RadioBlue Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:04am

Let's change the sitch just a bit. Let's say the B-R in this play was in the running lane the whole way, but on his last stride the ball hits him just like it did here. In the video, notice that the ball hits the runner just about the same time his foot is coming down on the bag. Does that change the call?


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