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David Emerling Tue Jul 09, 2013 06:05pm

Segura tries to steal 2nd - TWICE!
 
I would be interested in some of you opinions of this unusual play that happened in a game early this season between the Cubs and Brewers.

Watch the video:
Segura's baserunning adventures - YouTube

If you were the umpire, would you allow Segura to remain at 1st after he had already successfully stolen 2nd several pitches prior?

Would you invoke OBR 7.01 that prohibits runners from going back to a previous base after the pitcher assumes the pitching position?

Would you invoke OBR 7.08(i) that prohibits runners from running the bases backwards unless certain conditions exist?

Would you say that Segura had abandoned the bases and call him out?

What do you think of this play?

Rich Tue Jul 09, 2013 06:48pm

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Originally Posted by David Emerling (Post 899680)
I would be interested in some of you opinions of this unusual play that happened in a game early this season between the Cubs and Brewers.

Watch the video:
Segura's baserunning adventures - YouTube

If you were the umpire, would you allow Segura to remain at 1st after he had already successfully stolen 2nd several pitches prior?

Would you invoke OBR 7.01 that prohibits runners from going back to a previous base after the pitcher assumes the pitching position?

Would you invoke OBR 7.08(i) that prohibits runners from running the bases backwards unless certain conditions exist?

Would you say that Segura had abandoned the bases and call him out?

What do you think of this play?

I think (actually I know) that MLB ruled that the umpires should've called Segura out for the 7.01 violation. Jayson Stark column described it pretty well, if you can find it.

David Emerling Tue Jul 09, 2013 07:13pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 899682)
I think (actually I know) that MLB ruled that the umpires should've called Segura out for the 7.01 violation. Jayson Stark column described it pretty well, if you can find it.

Thanks for that information. I found Jayson Stark's column and it states that Segura's actions were LEGAL.

Baserunning adventures of Milwaukee Brewers shortstop Jean Segura - ESPN

Did MLB officially say that Segura should've been called out for a 7.01 rule violation?

When the pitcher was in the "pitching position", Segura actually was advancing to 3rd, not running backwards. Only subsequently, in the course of playing action, did he end up going back to 1st. Which was legally unoccupied.

Are you sure MLB declared this illegal and that the umpires ruled improperly?

Rich Tue Jul 09, 2013 07:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Emerling (Post 899683)
Thanks for that information. I found Jayson Stark's column and it states that Segura's actions were LEGAL.

Baserunning adventures of Milwaukee Brewers shortstop Jean Segura - ESPN

Did MLB officially say that Segura should've been called out for a 7.01 rule violation?

When the pitcher was in the "pitching position", Segura actually was advancing to 3rd, not running backwards. Only subsequently, in the course of playing action, did he end up going back to 1st. Which was legally unoccupied.

Are you sure MLB declared this illegal and that the umpires ruled improperly?

Wrong column. He followed up with a correction column.

David Emerling Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:39pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 899686)
Wrong column. He followed up with a correction column.

Thanks for pointing out those Jayson Stark articles.

I did some further searching and, yes, you're right - he had a follow-up article after MLB made an official clarification on that play.

The final ruling on Jean Segura's baserunning misadventures - ESPN

Manny A Wed Jul 10, 2013 06:05am

David, there was a pretty significant discussion back when this first happened. Here's the link:

http://forum.officiating.com/basebal...-back-1st.html


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