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David B Tue Jun 18, 2013 01:40pm

MLB Rules Quiz and article
 
Was just reading on ESPN. Interesting article although they all seem to think that "instant replay" is the answer to all of the rules etc., which is crazy. I love the analogy they give to football, how football has correct its problems ... say what ... every year there are more complaints about missed rules in football every Sunday.

Oh well, here's the article

The quiz is interesting also, have to admit i missed one though - one about the manager returning.

How well do we know baseball's rules? Take our quiz - ESPN

Thanks
DAvid

MD Longhorn Tue Jun 18, 2013 01:56pm

YOUR SCORE100%

You answered 10 out of the 10 questions correctly (shown in bold).
Total Participants: 108773

Yeah me.

Surprising to me, though - the percent right on each one:
1) 40.2
2) 49.6
3) 46.3
4) 46.3
5) 33.5 (really ... thought that one to be easy)
6) 25.9
7) 52.8
8) 19.8 (wow)
9) 28.2
10) 25.9

BigUmp56 Tue Jun 18, 2013 02:31pm

Not surprising to me was the sports announcers scoring just over 40% on such a remedial test.

Tim.

MD Longhorn Tue Jun 18, 2013 02:44pm

Makes me wonder what the percentages would be on "The hands are part of the bat".

bob jenkins Tue Jun 18, 2013 03:14pm

There isn't anyone who participates regularly here or on ABUA (or anywhere else) who should get less than 9 / 10 (and I'm being generous and allowing a question to be misread).

Rich Tue Jun 18, 2013 04:20pm

Average score (when I took it in less than 2 minutes and score 100%) - 37%.

RPatrino Tue Jun 18, 2013 04:38pm

100% as well. The hardest part was reading through all the names and extra verbiage. This was actually a fairly easy test.

SE Minnestoa Re Tue Jun 18, 2013 05:45pm

10 for 10 :D

DavidOhsie Tue Jun 18, 2013 09:35pm

How does the answer to #7 square with 4.09(b):

When the winning run is scored in the last half-inning of a regulation game, or in
the last half of an extra inning, as the result of a base on balls, hit batter or any other play with the bases full which forces the runner on third to advance, the umpire shall not declare the game ended until the runner forced to advance from third has touched home base and the batter-runner has touched first base.

Rich Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidOhsie (Post 897790)
How does the answer to #7 square with 4.09(b):

When the winning run is scored in the last half-inning of a regulation game, or in
the last half of an extra inning, as the result of a base on balls, hit batter or any other play with the bases full which forces the runner on third to advance, the umpire shall not declare the game ended until the runner forced to advance from third has touched home base and the batter-runner has touched first base.

Batted ball versus a base award. It's that simple of a distinction.

Publius Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:34pm

An umpire bragging about a score of 100% on that test is like a retired major-league hitter bragging about hitting 50 home runs in beer-league softball.

Dave Reed Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 897792)
Batted ball versus a base award. It's that simple of a distinction.

Um, no. 4.09(b) applies to batted balls also. However, it doesn't apply to question 7 because no runs scored. Additionally, though it doesn't matter, the test question doesn't say it was the last half inning of a regulation game or extra-inning game.

Rita C Wed Jun 19, 2013 02:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigUmp56 (Post 897763)
Not surprising to me was the sports announcers scoring just over 40% on such a remedial test.

Tim.

"You can see why players (and everybody else) messed these up, right? These plays rarely happen. And these rules seem to veer in the opposite direction of almost identical situations that more commonly do happen."

My favorite quote.

Rita

bob jenkins Wed Jun 19, 2013 08:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidOhsie (Post 897790)
How does the answer to #7 square with 4.09(b):

When the winning run is scored in the last half-inning of a regulation game, or in
the last half of an extra inning, as the result of a base on balls, hit batter or any other play with the bases full which forces the runner on third to advance, the umpire shall not declare the game ended until the runner forced to advance from third has touched home base and the batter-runner has touched first base.

It wasn't the last inning, so the rule doesn't apply at all.

If it had been the last inning, then the runs still wouldn't score after the appeal.

Either way, the runs score until there's an appeal, and then the sciore are "reversed."

DavidOhsie Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 897826)
It wasn't the last inning, so the rule doesn't apply at all.

If it had been the last inning, then the runs still wouldn't score after the appeal.

Either way, the runs score until there's an appeal, and then the sciore are "reversed."

OK, now I'm more confused :).

I understand that the rule only talks about the last inning, but is that the only time it applies? So if there is a 2-out bases loaded walk in the bottom of the first where R1 and R2 fail to advance, then the run doesn't score (if there is an appeal), but if the same happens in the bottom of the ninth, then the run does score (if there is an appeal)?

bob jenkins Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:26am

if it's not the last inning, then "play" (or "the game") is still going on. R1 and R2 will advance on a walk. If for some reason, they don't, then, yes, get an out on appeal and cancel the run.

If it's the last inning, then R1 and R2 "don't mean anything", so under OBR (and NCAA, but not under FED), there's no need for them to advance (on a walk) to have the winning run score.

MD Longhorn Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidOhsie (Post 897843)
OK, now I'm more confused :).

I understand that the rule only talks about the last inning, but is that the only time it applies? So if there is a 2-out bases loaded walk in the bottom of the first where R1 and R2 fail to advance, then the run doesn't score (if there is an appeal), but if the same happens in the bottom of the ninth, then the run does score (if there is an appeal)?

The rule you referenced is an exception to the norm due to the inning ending before it normally would (which can only happen in the home at bat of a final inning)... So yes, the exception can only apply in the home half of a final inning.

Can you imagine it ever actually happening that a 2-out bases loaded walk in any other situation would result in the runner from 1st or 2nd leaving the field? No - they go to their bases and we keep playing. Why would they leave?

DavidOhsie Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:15am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 897845)
if it's not the last inning, then "play" (or "the game") is still going on. R1 and R2 will advance on a walk. If for some reason, they don't, then, yes, get an out on appeal and cancel the run.

If it's the last inning, then R1 and R2 "don't mean anything", so under OBR (and NCAA, but not under FED), there's no need for them to advance (on a walk) to have the winning run score.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 897848)
The rule you referenced is an exception to the norm due to the inning ending before it normally would (which can only happen in the home at bat of a final inning)... So yes, the exception can only apply in the home half of a final inning.

Can you imagine it ever actually happening that a 2-out bases loaded walk in any other situation would result in the runner from 1st or 2nd leaving the field? No - they go to their bases and we keep playing. Why would they leave?

Makes perfect sense. Last question: why is a 7.05(a) homerun ("that goes out of the playing field") different? (If there is a reason).

bob jenkins Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidOhsie (Post 897855)
Makes perfect sense. Last question: why is a 7.05(a) homerun ("that goes out of the playing field") different? (If there is a reason).

It depends on what is meant by "or any other play" in 4.09(b)

Some would say that a home run qualifies and that as long as R3 and BR advance, the game is over.

Others (see Rich in post 10) say only a "non-batted ball award" can meet that definition and that the R1 and R2 must advance and touch.

rbmartin Wed Jun 19, 2013 05:17pm

Most of these are pretty simple stuff.
Question #5 states "makes a leaping catch and falls into the stands, holding on to the ball..."
I think maybe someone should clarify what is meant by the phrase "into the stands" (same wording as in rule 7.04c).

Dave Reed Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidOhsie (Post 897855)
Makes perfect sense. Last question: why is a 7.05(a) homerun ("that goes out of the playing field") different? (If there is a reason).

Game ending home runs are treated differently than all other walk-offs. Here's 4.11(c):
If the home team scores the winning run in its half of the ninth inning (or its half of an extra inning after a tie), the game ends immediately when the winning run is scored. EXCEPTION: If the last batter in a game hits a home run out of the playing field, the batter-runner and all runners on base are permitted to score, in accordance with the base-running rules, and the game ends when the batter-runner touches home plate.


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