Assigning playoff umpires in Texas

David B

Rich wrote
We talked about this elsewhere. Sure looked like a FPSR to me - R1 had to reach for the base with his hand and slid in the direction of the fielder and altered the throw. With a 4-man crew, this is easy for U2 to get -- he has no other job.

I hadn't watched the aftermath before now. What a circus. I'm not sure which player got ejected, but I know #5 (spiking the ball) should've been and the head coach should've been run when he walked over to second and pointed at the slide mark -- missed call notwithstanding.

I'm not sure why these guys were chosen, but I just don't feel (watching a few minutes of this game) they were the strongest umpires that could've worked these games. If they are, it doesn't say much about the state of umpiring in this area.

Agreed, I looked but still don't understand what they called and why they placed the runner back on 1B? If it's FPSR then its a DP. If not then the play stands -

These guys were very poor for sure.

Thanks
David

David B

Rich wrote
He balked. But they were saving their balk until it could end the game. :rolleyes:

That's funny.

Our local HS had game last week and the 1B umpire waited until the 7th inning to balk in the winning run - his call was the F3 didn't have both feet in fair territory - and this was for the North State Championship - hey it gave our team the win - but very poor umpiring for the entire game.

I told my son who plays on our team - you don't call that in 7th inning when he's been doing it the entire game etc., but we'll take the @W

Thanks
David

RPatrino

I don't know about you guys, but I have never seen a playoff game with such poor game management in my life. Batters were wandering all over the place, coaches wandered all over the place, the pace was slow as molasses, I just don't get it.

On the FPSR, that was obvious on the video. What I don't understand is how the DC can come onto the field during a LIVE ball and not be ejected. It looked like there were TWO coaches on the field arguing/discussing the call. Very poor indeed. Watching games like this makes my skin crawl.

CT1

David B wrote
That's funny.

Our local HS had game last week and the 1B umpire waited until the 7th inning to balk in the winning run - his call was the F3 didn't have both feet in fair territory - and this was for the North State Championship - hey it gave our team the win - but very poor umpiring for the entire game.

I told my son who plays on our team - you don't call that in 7th inning when he's been doing it the entire game etc., but we'll take the @W

Thanks
David

Good Grief.

You not only don't call it in the 7th inning, you don't call it at all. Make F3 get right, or get a new F3.

umpjim

CT1 wrote
Good Grief.

You not only don't call it in the 7th inning, you don't call it at all. Make F3 get right, or get a new F3.

If your state uses FED F3 only has to have one foot touching fair territory at TOP.

David B

umpjim wrote
If your state uses FED F3 only has to have one foot touching fair territory at TOP.

Correct and he told the coaches that - we went to game two in the series and U3 balked us in another run and even our coach told me he don't know what the guy did - U3 said he flinched. Then PU called out one of their runners on appeal at 3B on a long fly ball to left field - where i was sitting I had a perfect view and was watching the play and no way he left early - these were young umpires though and as others have mentioned, sometimes the pressure gets to them.

We did lose that game, but getting two runs from "blue" was kind of nice.

Thanks
David

BigUmp56

Steven Tyler wrote
Are you asking because you don't know?

Since I'm not much of a seer, of course I don't know who else here would have balked him, Wayne. I'm hoping most of the members here would have. Do you have an opinion worth sharing? About the call or non-call of the balk...............

Tim.

hbk314

Missed the FPSR and called a non-existent balk.

Impressive.

Steven Tyler

BigUmp56 wrote
Since I'm not much of a seer, of course I don't know who else here would have balked him, Wayne. I'm hoping most of the members here would have. Do you have an opinion worth sharing? About the call or non-call of the balk...............

Tim.

I wouldn't have balked it............stop looked complete, and discernible to me..............not sure of the who the "you" was you were referring to. Maybe small ball guys would have called it........but not a competent high school playoff umpire.

BigUmp56

Steven Tyler wrote
I wouldn't have balked it............stop looked complete, and discernible to me..............not sure of the who the "you" was you were referring to. Maybe small ball guys would have called it........but not a competent high school playoff umpire.

I disagree. I think all competent umpires would have called a balk as soon as he set with his hands in front of his body and then broke them apart. If you'll read my question it was about a situation prior to the balk that ended up being called. Please keep up.............

Tim.

JRutledge

Don't we all have different levels of judgment? That is the case in other sports, so why are we surprised in baseball? Some guys are going to call balks more than others. I do not think that is necessarily a bad thing. I would have rather talked a player out of a "technical balk" but would eventually call something that was obvious to me.

Peace

BigUmp56

JRutledge wrote
Don't we all have different levels of judgment? That is the case in other sports, so why are we surprised in baseball? Some guys are going to call balks more than others. I do not think that is necessarily a bad thing. I would have rather talked a player out of a "technical balk" but would eventually call something that was obvious to me.

Peace

I agree, Jeff. Then again, there are balks and then there are elephant balks that aren't discretionary. I would put the one I'm talking about in the latter category, which is why I'm surprised they missed it.

Tim.

Steven Tyler

BigUmp56 wrote
I disagree. I think all competent umpires would have called a balk as soon as he set with his hands in front of his body and then broke them apart. If you'll read my question it was about a situation prior to the balk that ended up being called. Please keep up.............

Tim.

Oh..........I suppose you're talking about when the batter hadn't entered the box yet. Yep, that's a balk all competent umpires call. Maybe this website is too advanced for you.

BigUmp56

Steven Tyler wrote
Oh..........I suppose you're talking about when the batter hadn't entered the box yet. Yep, that's a balk all competent umpires call. Maybe this website is too advanced for you.

I thought I was specific enough about the time frame in which the balk occurred. The batter is in the box, the ball is in play, F1 is on the rubber with his hands together in front of his body, and then he breaks them before stepping off. Maybe you should take a look at it again (52:37), and give an opinion on the play I'm talking about. The small ball comment, and remark about this site being too advanced for me are really not germane to the issue.

Tim.

Steven Tyler

BigUmp56 wrote
I thought I was specific enough about the time frame in which the balk occurred. The batter is in the box, the ball is in play, F1 is on the rubber with his hands together in front of his body, and then he breaks them before stepping off. Maybe you should take a look at it again (52:37), and give an opinion on the play I'm talking about. The small ball comment, and remark about this site being too advanced for me are really not germane to the issue.

Tim.

I saw it the first time around.......looked like play had been stopped for a second or two judging from the catcher and HPU. Eagle Pass lost in the region finals if anyone cares.

Steven Tyler

nopachunts wrote
Check out Hughes Springs. They have a stud pitcher. They opt for a one gamer as much a possible.

That can happen in baseball or softball...........anyhow the state semis and finals are just a one and done. I remember when I played football only one team made the playoffs from a district. A lot of 9-1 teams stayed home.

nopachunts

Steven Tyler wrote
That can happen in baseball or softball...........anyhow the state semis and finals are just a one and done. I remember when I played football only one team made the playoffs from a district. A lot of 9-1 teams stayed home.

I know and they are talking about taking the top four now.

MD Longhorn

They have been taking 4 for a while in both the 5A and 4A classifications.

nopachunts

MD Longhorn wrote
They have been taking 4 for a while in both the 5A and 4A classifications.

Isn't the UIL planning on expanding the top four to 3A and 2A next year. I may be wrong on this one. When does the new 6A classification start?

MD Longhorn

nopachunts wrote
Isn't the UIL planning on expanding the top four to 3A and 2A next year. I may be wrong on this one. When does the new 6A classification start?

Playoffs expand next season.

The new 6A isn't really what that sounds like - slicing the biggest schools off into a group. It's actually the opposite. They are splitting A into two groups, calling the bigger of the two groups AA. All the rest simply get another A - if you were 5A before, you're 6A after.

Last I heard, that was for the 2014-2016 alignment, but I find no confirmation on that.

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