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Rich Fri May 17, 2013 04:32pm
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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 894646)
That's the guideline that is taught ... and discussed here.

If there was no ATR (and honestly, i don't think there should be!), then if the runner slowed or deviated before the instant that the ball was caught, it would be OBS. The idea of ATR is to allow the fielder to be in the runner's path once the ball is closer than the runner, instead of having to wait until after it's caught to move into the runner's path. (And I'd be fine if that part was done away with and they DID have to wait until they had possession before moving into the path!)
And, quite frankly, I think they should go back to the old rule.

The pro (minor league) interpretation of about to receive is the distance from the skin of the cutout at home to the plate - about 13 feet. Sounds reasonable enough to me.

DG Fri May 17, 2013 09:56pm
"about to receive" not relevant in FED and NCAA, you either have the ball or you don't if you are in the runner's path.

dash_riprock Sat May 18, 2013 02:15pm
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Originally Posted by DG (Post 894705)
"about to receive" not relevant in FED and NCAA, you either have the ball or you don't if you are in the runner's path.
This is not correct for NCAA. A fielder "in the act of fielding the ball" is not guilty of obstruction (except on a pickoff).

Steven Tyler Sat May 18, 2013 07:15pm
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Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 894734)
This is not correct for NCAA. A fielder "in the act of fielding the ball" is not guilty of obstruction (except on a pickoff).
Thank you for pointing that out.

Great rotation by U1.

lawump Sun May 19, 2013 10:17am
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 894669)
The pro (minor league) interpretation of about to receive is the distance from the skin of the cutout at home to the plate - about 13 feet. Sounds reasonable enough to me.
Rich, when I was in the minors, the interpretation of "about to receive" (on a play at the plate) was the distance from the pitcher's mound to home plate -- about 60 feet. They may have changed it in the decade since I left...but that is how it was taught to me at umpire school; and what I used in my pro games without argument.

Rich Sun May 19, 2013 10:47am
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Originally Posted by lawump (Post 894795)
Rich, when I was in the minors, the interpretation of "about to receive" (on a play at the plate) was the distance from the pitcher's mound to home plate -- about 60 feet. They may have changed it in the decade since I left...but that is how it was taught to me at umpire school; and what I used in my pro games without argument.
I'm reading it from some recent instructions, I'm guessing more recent than yours -- reported by Carl in the BRD. They could've changed since then.

dash_riprock Sun May 19, 2013 01:51pm
For NCAA, it means "the ball is in flight [sic] directly toward and near enough to the fielder so he must occupy his position to receive the throw." That seems to be consistent with lawumps pro interp.

Rich Sun May 19, 2013 04:30pm
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Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 894804)
For NCAA, it means "the ball is in flight [sic] directly toward and near enough to the fielder so he must occupy his position to receive the throw." That seems to be consistent with lawumps pro interp.
I found the source of the interp in the BRD -- it's a phone conversation between Carl and Fitzpatrick in 2001.

Take it or leave it. Doesn't much matter to me -- it's all judgment of the umpire anyway.

DG Sun May 19, 2013 05:12pm
Thanks all, I stand corrected. I went back the rule books and the 2010 NCAA rule book said you had to have the ball. The 2011-2012 book added the words about in act of receiving and it was listed in the front of the book as a change. So NCAA and OBR are the same, FED different.

thumpferee Sun May 19, 2013 05:31pm
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Originally Posted by DG (Post 894813)
So NCAA and OBR are the same, FED different.
Who woulda guessed that:confused:

CT1 Mon May 20, 2013 05:30am
IIRC, FED made their change mainly because coaches were teaching fielders to "drop a knee" before receiving a throw on pickoff plays, thus blocking the runner off the bag.

Rather than make a specific exception to their existing OBS ruie, they chose to apply it universally to all plays.

Tim C. may have further insight.

bob jenkins Mon May 20, 2013 07:51am
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Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 894831)
IIRC, FED made their change mainly because coaches were teaching fielders to "drop a knee" before receiving a throw on pickoff plays, thus blocking the runner off the bag.

Rather than make a specific exception to their existing OBS ruie, they chose to apply it universally to all plays.

Tim C. may have further insight.
that was the NCAA rationale. Then, when they realized the folly of having it on all plays, they went back to the OBR, and added the exception for dropping the knee on a pickoff.

MD Longhorn Mon May 20, 2013 08:03am
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Originally Posted by DG (Post 894705)
"about to receive" not relevant in FED
True
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and NCAA.
False

lawump Mon May 20, 2013 06:18pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 894810)
I found the source of the interp in the BRD -- it's a phone conversation between Carl and Fitzpatrick in 2001.

Take it or leave it. Doesn't much matter to me -- it's all judgment of the umpire anyway.
I think some of Mr. Fitzpatrick's co-workers at PBUC would have disagreed at that time...but at least you found something in print!

Thanks!

Publius Tue May 21, 2013 07:17pm
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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 894766)
Thank you for pointing that out.

Great rotation by U1.
What makes a very basic textbook rotation "great"?

IMO, that is the dumbest rotation in the mechanics manual. What is so difficult, with the bases empty and an obvious extra-base hit in either 3-man or 4-man, with U1 entering the diamond and taking the plays on the B/R at 1st and 2nd, and U3 and PU both staying home?

All levels (pro, NCAA, FED) have umpires running all over the place for no good reason. If you're U1 and can't be at 2nd base from A in advance of the runner, retire.


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