umpire hit by batted ball deflected by the pitcher

dash_riprock

No, you got it wrong. The ball is live. There are no violations, and no base awards.

Dave Reed

jwwashburn wrote
So, we got it right.

No. The ball is still live because it did not "touch a runner or an umpire before touching any fielder". The runner should not have been returned to 3rd and the B/R should have been safe or out depending on the actions of the defense. CT1, dash_riprock, and RPatrino have all told you this already.

jwwashburn

ART. 1 . . . Ball becomes dead immediately when:
f. a fair batted ball:
1. touches a runner or an umpire before touching any fielder and before
passing any fielder other than the pitcher,

It touched an umpire before a fielder other than the pitcher.
Ball is dead

RPatrino

Let me try this another way:

"touches a runner or an umpire before touching any fielder and before
passing any fielder EXCEPT the pitcher,"

dash_riprock

jwwashburn wrote
ART. 1 . . . Ball becomes dead immediately when:
f. a fair batted ball:
1. touches a runner or an umpire before touching any fielder and before
passing any fielder other than the pitcher,

It touched an umpire before a fielder other than the pitcher.
Ball is dead

The ball touched a fielder before it touched an umpire. The ball is live.

jwwashburn

The ball hit my partner before passing any fielder(expect the pitcher) how is the ball not dead?

It did not pass the first baseman
It did not pass the second baseman
It did not pass the shortstop
It did not pass the third baseman

jwwashburn

dash_riprock wrote
The ball touched a fielder before it touched an umpire. The ball is live.

Not in this case, roscoe. This fielder was the exception specifically spelled out in the rule. The pitcher is the exception here.

How can the rule say he is the exception if you think he is not the exception?

dash_riprock

jwwashburn wrote
Not in this case, roscoe. This fielder wad the exception specifically pulled out in the rule. The pitcher is the exception here.

How can the rule say he is the exception if you think he is not the exception?

The pitcher is the exception for the ball passing an infielder. There is no exception for a ball touching an infielder (including the pitcher).

Love,

Roscoe.

jwwashburn

dash_riprock wrote
The pitcher is the exception for the ball passing an infielder. There is no exception for a ball touching an infielder (including the pitcher).

Love,

Roscoe.

Ok, I was seeing the exception for both. We got it wrong. They should have made that two different sentences.

Steven Tyler

jwwashburn wrote
Not in this case, roscoe. This fielder was the exception specifically spelled out in the rule. The pitcher is the exception here.

How can the rule say he is the exception if you think he is not the exception?

Those damn replacement umpires........:rolleyes:

CT1

jwwashburn wrote
Ok, I was seeing the exception for both. We got it wrong. They should have made that two different sentences.

It could also be interpreted as:

"The ball remains live if, before touching an umpire:

(1) It touches any fielder; or
(2) Passes any fielder (other than the pitcher)."

bob jenkins

jwwashburn wrote
Ok, I was seeing the exception for both. We got it wrong. They should have made that two different sentences.

The word "and" makes it two conditions that have to be met; and the phrases "before touching any fielder" and "before passing any fielder except the pitcher" make it clear that each applies only to its specific clause.

jwwashburn

CT1 wrote
It could also be interpreted as:

"The ball remains live if, before touching an umpire:

(1) It touches any fielder; or
(2) Passes any fielder (other than the pitcher)."

Yeah, I think that would have helped. Re-reading it, though, it should not have taken this long to penetrate my skull.

MD Longhorn

jwwashburn wrote
I get that it is dead ball.

Why do you "get" that? It's not. It's nothing. Play on.

Send the runner back to third and place the batter on first is what we did. However, the NFHS book is not easy to navigate. I cannot find confirmation that I am right about this.

That would be because you are not right about this. You shouldn't have stopped play at all.

jwwashburn

Congrats on thinking up witty comments.