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Runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out. Pop fly to left, runners tag, runner on third scores, other runner stays at 2nd. Following a time out to clean the plate, pitcher comes set, steps off to appeal to third and overthrows 3B. While third baseman retrieves the ball, runner advances from 2nd to 3rd. After retrieving the ball, 3rd baseman walks over and steps on third (other runner is there now). Runner from third did indeed leave early and was called out by the umpire. Is this correct? Should the appeal be disallowed because of the overthrow? What if there was no one on the bases when the overthrow occurred?

I dont think the D lost the right to appeal but what about the runner advancing? If the Pitcher just stepped off the ball is still live correct?

An overthrow on an appeal attempt does not negate the appeal unless the overthrow ends up going into dead ball territory. As long as the third baseman makes it clear what he's doing when he retrieves the ball and steps on third, the appeal is valid, even if there's a runner on that base.

Are you leaving the runner at third?

Nah, send him into the field with his glove.

nice answer thanks

I think the rules code matters here. In NCAA I think the right to appeal is lost since a runner advanced even if the ball didn't go out of play.

What kind of answer did you expect... generally, when we have 3 outs, the defense and offense change sides. Does it work differently where you are?

If there were less than two outs at the time of the appeal, Yes, the runner who started at second base would be allowed to stay at third. He legally advanced on the overthrow, so there's no reason to send him back to second base.

In fact, if that runner had scored on the overthrow, his run would count even with the appeal IF the appeal was for the second out. But with the appeal making it the third out, his run would not count.

Thanks Manny guess that kind of reply was to hard for others to come up with

Correct.

Not sure of the thought process because in NCAA if the offense initiates a play it does not kill the appeal.

I honestly didn't know the answer. I'm not a baseball guy, but I counted to three.

My suggestion: relax.

Hmm, why wouldn't the appeal be a timing play for the 3rd out situation?

It would not be a time play and R2 would not score because the appeal for the 3rd out was made on a preceding runner.