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dileonardoja Tue Apr 16, 2013 09:45am

Pointing to first on Ball Four
 
Yes or no? Is it correct to point to 1B on a called ball four. I am assuming it is correct to do it on a dead ball Intentional BB in FED.

MD Longhorn Tue Apr 16, 2013 09:47am

Feel free.

Make sure you wear you're "I'm a rookie" sign while you do it.

:)

ozzy6900 Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:43am

The players know where 1st base is. Don't point there, just say "ball 4" and be done with it.

jicecone Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:48am

Sometimes you have to actually convince them it is ball 4. When you have to tell them where to go, then you know your in for a long game.

scrounge Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:07am

I don't have a problem with it.


If they're under 12.

Mrumpiresir Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:09am

Ways to identify a rookie umpire;

1. Pointing the runner to first base on a base on balls.

2. Burying his face in the indicator after every pitch.

3. Screaming "Foul Ball" instead of just "Foul".

4. Screaming "Foul" on a foul ball that goes straight back to the backstop.

5. Calling pitches in the dirt strikes. (because they don't track the pitch all the way to the glove)

6. Granting excessive time requests.

These are just the ones that immediately come to mind.

BretMan Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:51am

True story about a partner I had a couple of years ago...

Not only did this guy point to first base on ball four, he had a habit of commenting on the pitch location ("inside", "too high", etc.).

3-2 count. I'm in "A". Pitch comes in and the batter tries to check his swing.

Plate umpire jumps up, points at me (well, actually he was pointing at first base because he called it ball four, but I didn't realize that) and says, "That's too low!" (which, combined with his point, made me think he was saying, "Did he go?").

I came up with big hammer and a, "Yes he did!".

Poor, non-standard or unconventional signals don't just make you look bad. They can make your partner look bad, too!

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BretMan (Post 891129)
True story about a partner I had a couple of years ago...

Not only did this guy point to first base on ball four, he had a habit of commenting on the pitch location ("inside", "too high", etc.).

3-2 count. I'm in "A". Pitch comes in and the batter tries to check his swing.

Plate umpire jumps up, points at me (well, actually he was pointing at first base because he called it ball four, but I didn't realize that) and says, "That's too low!" (which, combined with his point, made me think he was saying, "Did he go?").

I came up with big hammer and a, "Yes he did!".

Poor, non-standard or unconventional signals don't just make you look bad. They can make your partner look bad, too!


But Bret? Did he learn his lesson?

MTD, Sr.

RPatrino Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:21pm

I had a partner do that to me this week. Batter went around, I pointed with my left hand, said "YES" and signaled strike. Partner signaled, safe. I won.:eek:

SE Minnestoa Re Tue Apr 16, 2013 01:13pm

I had a partner signal safe ONE TIME on a check swing that I called a strike.

Mrumpiresir Tue Apr 16, 2013 01:23pm

7. Calling foul while the ball is still rolling.

Manny A Tue Apr 16, 2013 01:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dileonardoja (Post 891106)
I am assuming it is correct to do it on a dead ball Intentional BB in FED.

I don't do FED baseball, so I'm not sure what the approved mechanic is when the defense requests to put the batter on first base. But since this is usually preceeded by a verbal request that everybody within earshot hears, I don't see a need to point.

The only time I believe it's acceptable to point to first base is when the batter gets hit by a pitch that isn't very apparent. Otherwise, I agree with others here.

MD Longhorn Tue Apr 16, 2013 01:31pm

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Originally Posted by Mrumpiresir (Post 891152)
7. Calling foul while the ball is still rolling.

LOL. One of my pet peeves... but I'm not sure this one points out a rookie to us. I've seen 20 year veterans who do EVERYTHING else right - do this one wrong.

MD Longhorn Tue Apr 16, 2013 01:33pm

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Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 891155)
I don't do FED baseball, so I'm not sure what the approved mechanic is when the defense requests to put the batter on first base. But since this is usually predicated by a verbal request that everybody within earshot hears, I don't see a need to point.

Batter - take your base.

Quote:

The only time I believe it's acceptable to point to first base is when the batter gets hit by a pitch that isn't very apparent.
Honestly, I don't have a problem with that one.

bob jenkins Tue Apr 16, 2013 01:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 891155)
I don't do FED baseball, so I'm not sure what the approved mechanic is when the defense requests to put the batter on first base. But since this is usually preceeded by a verbal request that everybody within earshot hears, I don't see a need to point.

"Time" (relatively loud, and if time is not already out).

"Go on" (to the batter)

celebur Tue Apr 16, 2013 01:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BretMan (Post 891129)
3-2 count. I'm in "A". Pitch comes in and the batter tries to check his swing.

Plate umpire jumps up, points at me (well, actually he was pointing at first base because he called it ball four, but I didn't realize that) and says, "That's too low!" (which, combined with his point, made me think he was saying, "Did he go?").

I came up with big hammer and a, "Yes he did!".

I had a very similar experience, and it did NOT look good on us! Please, no pointing on ball four!

celebur Tue Apr 16, 2013 01:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 891157)
Batter - take your base.

In our association, we're told to simply tell the batter, "That was ball four." Repeat if necessary, and they'll eventually figure out what they're supposed to do.

MD Longhorn Tue Apr 16, 2013 02:41pm

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Originally Posted by celebur (Post 891162)
In our association, we're told to simply tell the batter, "That was ball four." Repeat if necessary, and they'll eventually figure out what they're supposed to do.

So ... with no pitch thrown, you still tell the batter, "THAT was ball four"??? Seems quite odd. If you told me that, I'd look at you and say, "WHAT was ball four?" Of course, I'd then take my base.


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