Interesting play
 

Just wondering how the pitcher was able to stay in the game. I don't do college baseball anymore, but seemed this might be a little flagrant?

Thanks
David

Levi Austin tackles Collin Radack - Yahoo! Sports

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That's a four-game suspension.

Just showed this to my daughter, she went to UCA and knows the kid that got tackled.

He should have been ejected.

Agree. Intentional and flagrant.

It is not my intent to hijack the thread away from should or should there have been an ejection, but rather let us focus on the timing of the Timeout request.

F1 had just come to his Set Position (SeP) when B2 requested a TO and then the PU granted B2's request. I have no problem with granting B2's TO request while F1 is in the Stretch Position (StP) but I have qualms about granting it once F1 is in his set SeP. While being in the SeP is not that same as F1 starting his pitching motion. Once in the SeP F1 can pitch or start any number of defensive plays on Runners that are on base. This is not to say that the defense cannot start a defensive play when F1 is in the StP, but I just believe the SeP is an altogether different animal when it comes to granting the offense's TO request.

What say you?

MTD, Sr.

What do you do if F1 comes set and stays there...still there...still there...are you not going to grant time eventually? I believe the custom is to grant time before TOP. But if they ask for time habitually, my reaction time slows and I might not get time called before F1 starts a delivery.

It was a POE last year (I think) to not grant time unless / until the pitcher "freezes" the hitter.

I don't know what else had been happening in this game to judge what happened here.

Hard to tell because it is a video however, it seemed like a borderline set. Having said that, the batter put his hand up just as the pitcher started to become set and as already stated that set almost seemed like a change in direction. Close.

Generally, I won't give time if the pitcher begins TOP, which is when the hands separate however, sometimes there is about a 1 sec delay from when eyes see the request or recognize a verbal request, it registers and the mind makes the hands go up and the mouth verbalize "Time". In that one second the pitcher almost always decides to pitch and someone complains. Its called life.

If indeed the pitcher was allowed to stay in the game then thats just poor officiating, at any level.

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Clear why the pitcher did what he did and it is also clear, in my opinion, that the umpire's poor performance was a major part of the end result.

T

I love the way u1 non-chalantly strolls to the plate.

Just another dumb-azz announcer. Austin was ejected.

Was that POE from NCAA or Fed ?

ncaa.

Surely you have an opinion based just on the video? I have no problem qualifying such a ruling with, "this might need revision based on prior events/rulings in the game."

Not that hard to understand what Bob meant - was there words exchanged between players earlier in the game, was there a past history between teams, was there a HBP or something between these two players earlier in the game, maybe a hard tag,

there are so many things that happen in a ball game that fall under "game management" that never show up in a 1 minute video. Obviously by the actions of the F1, there was a problem somewhere between the two players ...

Thanks
David

The above link doesn't show the entire 2 events. If you find the video of the entire sequence of events you will see something quite telling. You can tell the quality of the umpire by watching what he does or doesn't do after he grants the batter time. He never puts the ball back into play so judging from that, he probably isn't at the top of the list as an umpire. Here is the entire video with no edit between the granting of time, and the wild pitch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3udryTRvxo

Maybe it's just me... this new video shows me nothing different.

Longhorn, I am addressing the question on why did the pitcher not get ejected for this clearly flagrant act. The video that I posted shows you that the home plate umpire did not put the ball back in play after time was called. An umpire that does not do the most basic thing as put the ball in play after time has been called cannot be expected to make the proper decisions on ejections.

I think that he did get ejected, even if the video doesn't show it and apparently neither does some published box score (not that this any kind of official NCAA document)

Wow, that's one heckuva stretch.

I'm not disagreeing that the pitcher should have been ejected. But to jump to the conclusion that this umpire was poor just because he failed to put a ball into play? I see that happen at many levels, even in the pros.

I'm curious if they counted the run...

He may or may not be a good umpire... but any of us who have been doing this a while and watching our "betters" at the MLB level have seen them fail to put the ball back in play hundreds of times. You've chosen an odd indicator for deciding this guy's worth.

Isn't Fed the only code that requires the verbal "Play" after dead ball anyway? I thought NCAA and OBR have the implied play rule if no verbal declaration is made.

I think it was too late to call time on the first pitch shown.

On the next one the pitcher should have been instantly ejected. He may have been, but I did not see PU give the big heave.

All codes require the umpire to call "play" to make the ball live (NCAA says "call or indicate").

And they all have the "implied play" if the umpires allow it.

Other than that, though, the post was correct. ;)

No debate here.

I just don't buy the argument that an umpire who forgets to call "play" one time that it was required somehow makes that umpire poor. We all have brain cramps every now and then.

Um ... how to say this...

All three codes require it, except that they don't.

:)

And yes, forgetting this tiny thing doesn't invalidate the entirety of an umpires abilities.

Click on inning 10 of the play-by-play

Berry vs Hendrix - BerryVikings.com

From the box score, looks like this Austin kid faced two batters in the bottom of the 5th. He came in in relief with runners on first and second, gave up an infield single to load them up, threw the wild pitch that led to the tackle play, and was then replaced by Teal.

Sounds like he has some anger management issues.

Either that, or the coach told him when he handed him the ball, "If anybody scores while you're on the mound, you're off the team."