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grunewar Sun Oct 28, 2012 05:56pm

MLB Looks to Protect Pitchers
 
MLB looks to protect pitchers from line drives - ESPN

From the article:

MLB medical director Dr. Gary Green has been talking to companies about protective headgear for pitchers, Halem said. A report is on the agenda at baseball's winter meetings in December.

A cap liner with Kevlar, the high-impact material used by military, law enforcement and NFL players for body armor, is among the ideas under consideration.

bob jenkins Sun Oct 28, 2012 08:15pm

And FED has considered having all infielders wear helmets with face masks.

DG Sun Oct 28, 2012 08:21pm

I think I will see pitchers wearing helmets long after instant replay on almost anything is implemented. If they want to work on something they should elimininate malicious contact at the plate.

ozzy6900 Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:52am

Pitchers are going to always be in a bad position. You are 60' away, throwing 80+ mph, to an object that can reverse the direction at almost the same speed. You are a target and that is all there is to it.

So what do we want to do, suit up all the players in gear like football players? How is a pitcher going to pitch? How is a fielder going to have the dexterity do dive, roll and come up throwing if they are clad in protective suits?

We go through this every time someone gets hit with a baseball. It is part of the game and if you don't want to get hit, play in the outfield.

MD Longhorn Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzy6900 (Post 860458)
Pitchers are going to always be in a bad position. You are 60' away, throwing 80+ mph, to an object that can reverse the direction at almost the same speed. You are a target and that is all there is to it.

So what do we want to do, suit up all the players in gear like football players? How is a pitcher going to pitch? How is a fielder going to have the dexterity do dive, roll and come up throwing if they are clad in protective suits?

We go through this every time someone gets hit with a baseball. It is part of the game and if you don't want to get hit, play in the outfield.

Typical over-reaction. Stretch the point out to the absurd... and then ridicule the absurdity. No one is saying they need to be in protective suits. It's a mask. Catchers use them (and a little body armor too!) yet are not deemed incapable of moving or seeing. Umpires wear them and are still able to see. Why in the world would you think this would make it impossible for a pitcher to pitch?

Adam Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:08am

I think having the infielders wear helmets and masks may be a bit overkill, but having the pitchers do it seems easy enough. I'm sure they would adjust quickly. Even having modified helmets, less than a batting helmet, for example, would be an improvement.

I would expect it to happen at the aluminum levels within a few years if they don't get rid of the bats themselves. MLB? I don't know.

I've always said players should take the field with whatever suit of armor they wear to the plate anyway, so it might be an improvement.

MD Longhorn Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:35am

Something similar to what some softball players wear in the infield would work at a minimum. Something with slightly more pad on the top and sides might be better, but might be cumbersome.

Tim C Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:41am

yep
 
Quote:

"Something similar to what some softball players wear in the infield would work at a minimum"
Of course, lets change the game into the game as played by little girls.

T

briancurtin Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:47am

Kevlar lined hats will be helpful when pitchers start taking gun fire or someone charges the mound with a knife. That's about it.

maven Mon Oct 29, 2012 01:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim C (Post 860472)
lets not take the game away from what truly makes it interesting.

T

Tee, with respect, I disagree with the NASCAR theory of what makes baseball interesting. ;)

shickenbottom Mon Oct 29, 2012 03:48pm

There is nothing in the rules that prevents a pitcher from wearing a helmet / skull cap type protector.

Rule 1.11 does not currently prohibit the use of a helmet. It only says that "Uniforms" are identical in Color, Style, & Trim.

Rule 1.16 does not say a pitcher or fielder should or should not, only certain players: catchers, batters, runners, and base coaches are required.

John Olerud Jr wore one while playing 1st base for years.

The only pre-requisite should be that the surface is "non-glare" if the pitcher chooses to use a helmet.

Rich Mon Oct 29, 2012 04:22pm

The thread has been cleaned up. A poster has been restricted to the dugout.

Play nice, please.

RPatrino Mon Oct 29, 2012 04:34pm

Olerud played in Canada.

I am so ready for baseball!!

shickenbottom Mon Oct 29, 2012 04:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPatrino (Post 860522)
Olerud played in Canada.

I am so ready for baseball!!

Bob, Yes, he also played many years for the Seattle Mariners.......

He played his college days at WSU.

As for being ready, I just finished my season on Sunday with a CC Fall ball D/H, looking forward to a month or two off.

ozzy6900 Mon Oct 29, 2012 05:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim C (Post 860473)
Of course, lets change the game into the game as played by little girls.

T

Amen

RPatrino Mon Oct 29, 2012 06:16pm

I didn't know that about John, Sam!

I am just getting my gear inventoried and brought out of storage. I would have loved to do fall ball.

Publius Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 860459)
Umpires wear them and are still able to see.

That's never been the way I've heard it. ;)

Manny A Tue Nov 13, 2012 03:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim C (Post 860473)
Of course, lets change the game into the game as played by little girls.

You obviously don't do a lot of softball, hey Tim?

I umpired an 18U Gold National qualifier this summer, doing the plate for the loser's bracket final. There was nothing "little" about those girls.

That said, I do think it's ridiculous to consider making it mandatory for FED baseball infielders to wear masks. That's not even mandatory in girls softball at any level.

nopachunts Tue Nov 13, 2012 05:37pm

But in softball you see some girls wearing face protectors in the infield at almost all ages. I haven't seen any type of head protection at almost any level of baseball other than John Olerud. I hope I spelled his name right.

Rich Ives Tue Nov 13, 2012 06:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by nopachunts (Post 862012)
But in softball you see some girls wearing face protectors in the infield at almost all ages. I haven't seen any type of head protection at almost any level of baseball other than John Olerud. I hope I spelled his name right.

And he wore it because he had already had a brain aneurysm - not because he was afraid just out of the blue.

john5396 Wed Nov 14, 2012 09:00am

NHL went through this a couple of times, first requiring helments for all players, then several years later adding required facemasks.

Once a change is made requiring a head protector of some sort for the pitcher, within a year or two fans/players will be saying "what was the big deal".

A protective headgear for pitchers at all levels will not significantly change the game, but will save a few young men a year (including NFHS/NCAA/Pro) from a life altering injury.

I see no reason to object to protective headgear for pitchers.

nopachunts Wed Nov 14, 2012 09:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 862027)
And he wore it because he had already had a brain aneurysm - not because he was afraid just out of the blue.

Rich, I knew that he wore the protective helmet to protect him from a medical condition. I didn't mean to imply that he was afraid of being hit. The only reason I mentioned him is that is the only player in baseball when in the field that I can think of that wears/wore protective headgear regardless of the reason.

Manny A Thu Nov 15, 2012 09:04am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Olerud needed special dispensation to wear his helmet. Without approval from the league, he would have been in violation of uniform rules and would have been told to don a cap.

So I don't think a pitcher can wear a protective helmet under OBR. I think a rule change would be needed.

shickenbottom Thu Nov 15, 2012 01:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 862211)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Olerud needed special dispensation to wear his helmet. Without approval from the league, he would have been in violation of uniform rules and would have been told to don a cap.

So I don't think a pitcher can wear a protective helmet under OBR. I think a rule change would be needed.

What Rule would he have been in violation for?

Rule 1.11 does not currently prohibit the use of a helmet. It only says that "Uniforms" are identical in Color, Style, & Trim.

Rule 1.16 does not say a pitcher or fielder should or should not, only certain players: catchers, batters, runners, and base coaches are required.

Manny A Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by shickenbottom (Post 862268)
What Rule would he have been in violation for?

Rule 1.11 does not currently prohibit the use of a helmet. It only says that "Uniforms" are identical in Color, Style, & Trim.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the "identical" in "style" prevented some players from wearing caps while others wore helmets.

SAWolf Fri Nov 23, 2012 03:48am

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Helmuts for pitchers :D

I am not a Mets fan but this ad is cool.

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