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NCAAump2 Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:03pm

Ron Kulpa (a STL native) came to talk to our local association that he used to be part of before he got into the game, and he told us that the pitch tracker things shown on TV are not very accurate, nor the ones that MLB umpires are evaluated on.

Rich Ives Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:49pm

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Originally Posted by NCAAump2 (Post 860140)
Ron Kulpa (a STL native) came to talk to our local association that he used to be part of before he got into the game, and he told us that the pitch tracker things shown on TV are not very accurate, nor the ones that MLB umpires are evaluated on.

What a surprise.

If he admitted they were accurate he would be admitting there are a lot of missed calls.

Rich Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:40pm

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Originally Posted by tmagan (Post 858149)
Eric Gregg was the first umpire I saw do that. Jerry Crawford also did it. Of course he never wore a coat behind the plate. I am surprised they let DeMuth do it considering over the last five years MLB has had a minor crackdown on player and umpire wardrobe, but I like it. It would be better with the blue shirt and the black long-sleeved undershirt.

GMAFB. It looks like crap no matter who does it.

maven Fri Oct 26, 2012 08:45am

No system that represents the pitch as a point and the strike zone as a rectangle can possibly be accurate. Both the pitch and the zone are three-dimensional objects, and plotting a point on a plane simply will not provide enough information to evaluate the accuracy of a strike call (or non-call).

APG Fri Oct 26, 2012 09:07am

From what I've read up on the pitch f/x the actual tracking of the ball (from release of the ball to it being caught), along with other information gathered (horizontal/vertical change, release speed, spin) is accurate to a high degree (with the knuckle ball being the outlier as far as ability to track a pitches full movement from release to catch). The issue with all this is how the strike zone is represented with each different pitcher.

jicecone Fri Oct 26, 2012 09:15am

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 860172)
From what I've read up on the pitch f/x the actual tracking of the ball (from release of the ball to it being caught), along with other information gathered (horizontal/vertical change, release speed, spin) is accurate to a high degree (with the knuckle ball being the outlier as far as ability to track a pitches full movement from release to catch). The issue with all this is how the strike zone is represented with each different pitcher.

So you have just confirmed the inaccuracy of the entire system. The track of the ball is accurate however, relative to its placement in the strike zone, well that may or may not be so accurate. Which means the over all accuracy of the system may, or may not be that accurate.

As an Engineer, thats unacceptable.

maven Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:12am

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 860172)
From what I've read up on the pitch f/x the actual tracking of the ball (from release of the ball to it being caught), along with other information gathered (horizontal/vertical change, release speed, spin) is accurate to a high degree (with the knuckle ball being the outlier as far as ability to track a pitches full movement from release to catch). The issue with all this is how the strike zone is represented with each different pitcher.

Now, they just need a glowing, floating ovoid to represent the strike zone, and we'll have it!

jicecone Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:22am

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Originally Posted by maven (Post 860204)
Now, they just need a glowing, floating ovoid to represent the strike zone, and we'll have it!

They already exist in the shape of sports announcers. There definetly floating out there somewhere.

Rita C Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:47am

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Originally Posted by maven (Post 860166)
No system that represents the pitch as a point and the strike zone as a rectangle can possibly be accurate. Both the pitch and the zone are three-dimensional objects, and plotting a point on a plane simply will not provide enough information to evaluate the accuracy of a strike call (or non-call).

Exactly. The strike zone is a cube at the very least.

Rita


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