Ichiro Suzuki- out of baseline ?- O's game
 

Ichiro just scored in the Yanks-O's game and I thought he had clearly gone further than 3ft from the foul line in avoiding the tag at home. Opinions ?

He ran so wide of the attempted tag he ran back side of the RH batter's box and back edge of the umpire's box and then came back at the plate from the LH batter's box. Should have been easy call. 3' wide should apply to the attempted tag out of his path, not the foul line, but still, it appeared more like 6'+ of that too. No one seems too concerned, announcers did not mention and defensive manager discussion was mild.

Here is a GIF of the play.


http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.n...-1-10-8-12.gif

Probably did exceed the 3 ft limit.
Rarely enforced around the plate at MLB level.

At the time of the tag attempt, he was within his 3' lane IMO. Where he ends up after it is complete is irrelevant. F2 was not chasing him with the tag. The tag attempt was less than a second long. At the moment of the attempt, he was still within 3'. F2 just missed.

The tag attempt was continuous throughout the play

Gotta give em both credit for a great effort!

There were two attempts and he appears to be within on both.

I'm an Orioles fan, but I have to say, good call by Angel.

That's just a great baseball play. Incredible hustle by both players and the umpire.

Sometimes this game really is fun to watch.

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I think if it had been an Oriole trying to score, and the O's still win by 1, the media would have made a bigger deal out of it.

BTW, I thought this was an egregiously bad call. Look at the advantage Ichiro gained. But once again, he's a Yankee, they lost and NO ONE in the media had a quibble.

Any runner is out when—
(a) (1) He runs more than three feet away from his baseline to avoid being tagged
unless his action is to avoid interference with a fielder fielding a batted ball. A
runner’s baseline is established when the tag attempt occurs and is a straight
line from the runner to the base he is attempting to reach safely;

You can't apply this to a fielder that is front of home plate and then has to dive in order to get to the runner's baseline, then misses. After that, as long as the runner is not running all over the place, what you have is two good efforts. Sometimes you just have to umpire.

No it wasn't. Just watch the video that APG embeded. Wieters missed with his initial tag attempt, went down on all fours, then crawled to reach Ichiro for the next tag attempt. How can he be attempting a tag while he was crawling and he was more than ten feet away from the runner while doing so?

I thought the call was fine, and I'm not a Yankees fan. I'm not even an Angel Hernandez fan. :p

We rarely disagree, but we do here.

Not really. the tag attempt started when the catcher caught the ball and started turning toward the runner. Look at where Itchy is when that catch is made --- already on the grass. Draw a line from that spot to the plate - did he move 3 feet perpendicular to THAT line while the catcher was attempting to tag him?

Also, that tag attempt ended once Itchy was out of range and catcher turned to dive back toward the plate.

His first of the season...not a fan.

What advantage was gained? He was not more than 3' from his established base path. The call was correct. Or, should I say non-call was correct. And, the tag near the plate was correct as well. F2 did not tag the leg until after the runner touched HP.

Really? I guess I may have a fundamental misunderstanding of when a tag attempt is actually made. I don't consider the start of a turn towards the runner as a tag attempt, since the runner could be well away from the fielder when he starts that turn. I feel the tag attempt took place when Wieters lunged for Ichiro, and at that point Ichiro just twisted to avoid.

By your description, Ichiro would have had to turn into the tag as soon as Wieters caught the ball.

I agree with Grun !!!!!!!
 

Why do we sometimes want to over officiate.....two guys worked their tails off on this play !!!!!!! Itchy won the battle on this play but the O's won the game !!! Great game !!!!

Hey Grun - when your Nads get busted by the Cardinals, I don't want to see you north of Columbia trying to get on the BUCK TRUCK !!!!!! :D:D:D

Your point and mine are about a quarter of a second apart. My point was not to hash the difference between that quarter second, but rather to point out to most of those that think he should be out that he was ALREADY 3 feet from that white line before the tag started, and that HIS basepath is established when he's already that far away. I think we agree that this is NOT an example of running out of the baseline (not even close in my opinion)

I said nothing of the sort, not even close.

A common rules myth. That chalk line, or the direct line between bases, has nothing to do with making that call. It's the line the runner is taking to the base, at the point of the attempted tag on him by the defender. Suzuki was wide already, and went wider when he saw the catcher grabbing the ball. So, you have to judge 3+ feet more when that initial stab was made.

I thought it was great footwork by the PU to circle around, and keep moving for a better angle throughout that play. Whether he ended up with safe or out, he really worked hard to get a good look at it. That should end up in a training video, with all that went on there.

My bad. I misunderstood your point.

Horrible defense by the catcher. Why is he going out to get the ball? Let the ball come to him, and block at least some of the plate.

I wonder if Posey's injury from last year (I believe) has anything to do with this. Or, has it just been a growing trend before that?

I have heard that catchers are being trained to not "Buster Posey" it at home plate. It simply isn't worth it.