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Spence Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:03pm

BR Retreats To Avoid Tag
 
Reds/Phils game tonight. Sac bunt. F3 fields it and runs towards BR. BR backs up (ie back towards home plate) and F3 somehow forgets to tag him. BR goes to first and is safe.

A few people have said he should have been out because "you're not allowed to back up between home and first."

I've never heard that and couldn't find it in reading OBR.

Anyone?

MrUmpire Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spence (Post 852437)
Reds/Phils game tonight. Sac bunt. F3 fields it and runs towards BR. BR backs up (ie back towards home plate) and F3 somehow forgets to tag him. BR goes to first and is safe.

A few people have said he should have been out because "you're not allowed to back up between home and first."

I've never heard that and couldn't find it in reading OBR.

Anyone?


Legal in baseball.

JRutledge Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:14pm

I saw the play on SportsCenter and I would not call that retreating as much as avoiding the tag. It looked like he only took a couple of steps backward and then went around the fielder that made a bad tag attempt.

Peace

Rita C Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spence (Post 852437)
Reds/Phils game tonight. Sac bunt. F3 fields it and runs towards BR. BR backs up (ie back towards home plate) and F3 somehow forgets to tag him. BR goes to first and is safe.

A few people have said he should have been out because "you're not allowed to back up between home and first."

I've never heard that and couldn't find it in reading OBR.

Anyone?

It's legal in baseball. Not in softball.

In baseball you have to return all the way to the plate to be out.

Rita

mbyron Fri Aug 24, 2012 06:56am

Common baseball myth. :shrug:

MD Longhorn Fri Aug 24, 2012 09:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spence (Post 852437)
"you're not allowed to back up between home and first."

TRUE!!!!

(If you're playing softball)

Multiple Sports Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 852446)
I saw the play on SportsCenter and I would not call that retreating as much as avoiding the tag. It looked like he only took a couple of steps backward and then went around the fielder that made a bad tag attempt.

Peace

While agree with your assertion, in FP softball that is an out and a dead ball and all runners are to return to their base...would need clarifiction from a FP umpire regarding runners on base.

JRutledge Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 852476)
While agree with your assertion, in FP softball that is an out and a dead ball and all runners are to return to their base...would need clarifiction from a FP umpire regarding runners on base.

I have a suggestion, have them stop doing softball and then this will be more clear. ;)

Peace

dileonardoja Fri Aug 24, 2012 05:29pm

How many references to softball are we going to have on the baseball forum? Oh... there is another one.

Manny A Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:00am

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Originally Posted by dileonardoja (Post 852508)
How many references to softball are we going to have on the baseball forum? Oh... there is another one.

Some of us do "go both ways", so I have no problem with it. And it's always helpful to discuss how things happen "over there". Sometimes, it sheds light as to why there may be confusion.

mbyron Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:28am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 852614)
Some of us do "go both ways"...

Not that there's anything wrong with that. :D

Multiple Sports Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:13pm

Both ways ????????
 
Not something I would want to admit to on a site read by 98% guys....

This is going south real fast !!!!!!:D:D:D

Multiple Sports Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 852477)
I have a suggestion, have them stop doing softball and then this will be more clear. ;)

Peace

Rut - You got me....:D:D:D

Going back to the basketball forum where I belong............

aceholleran Sun Sep 09, 2012 03:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 852614)
Some of us do "go both ways", so I have no problem with it. And it's always helpful to discuss how things happen "over there". Sometimes, it sheds light as to why there may be confusion.

I concur,oh Apostle Aponte.

Ace in PA

UMP25 Sun Sep 09, 2012 07:24pm

This play occurred in a semi-final summer collegiate league tournament game in early August. I was on the bases when the BR hit a squibber back to the pitcher moving toward the 1st base line. As F1 attempted to tag the BR, the BR retreated toward home a few steps and F1 gave up his attempt to tag him. Finally, someone from the defensive team's dugout yelled, "Tag him!" So F1 takes a few steps toward the plate and tags the BR.

At the time, there were runners on 1st and 2nd, both of whom advanced to their next bases. R1, who was now on 2nd, yells out, "No, he's out anyway because he went back toward the plate." After play had stopped, I turned around and politely told R1 that that wasn't true and that the BR is out for retreating, absent a tag, only if he reaches the plate. To my shock, R1 begins to get into an argument with me, telling me, "You don't know the rules. He's out." No, I didn't eject R1, but I did laugh and had some more fun with him.

Frickin' idiot.

Oh, BTW, a reminder that if a BR is retreating toward the plate, obstruction on a fielder (F1, F2, etc.) is NOT called unless it's intentional.


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