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BEAREF Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:09am

MLB umpire has friendship bracelet removed
 
R.A. Dickey friendship bracelets made by his kids removed at umpire?s order | Big League Stew - Yahoo! Sports

MD Longhorn Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:15am

Saw that. Stupid. No one complained, just an OOO.

legend Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:38am

How has he managed to make it through 15+ starts w/o any other umpires enforcing the rule. This makes that paticular ump look bad but he's just doing his job. I'm wondering though what is acceptable accessories at m.l.b. level? Just about every player wears some type of Phiten necklace or other type of necklace, multiple wrist bands. Are accessories restrictions only enforced on the pitchers?

Manny A Fri Aug 17, 2012 01:05pm

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Originally Posted by legend (Post 852016)
How has he managed to make it through 15+ starts w/o any other umpires enforcing the rule.

And which rule may that be?

There are rules in amateur play that restrict what a pitcher may wear on his arm, wrist, etc. I can't find anything similar in straight OBR.

MD Longhorn Fri Aug 17, 2012 02:02pm

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Originally Posted by legend (Post 852016)
How has he managed to make it through 15+ starts w/o any other umpires enforcing the rule.

I'm wondering why, if 15 umpires have ruled one way, and one a different way, you're assuming the 1 is right and the 15 wrong, and not the other way around.
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I'm wondering though what is acceptable accessories at m.l.b. level?
Dang near anything that isn't reflective or deceptive that makes it harder to pick up the ball quickly (like a white glove for example).

Adam Fri Aug 17, 2012 03:35pm

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 852035)
I'm wondering why, if 15 umpires have ruled one way, and one a different way, you're assuming the 1 is right and the 15 wrong, and not the other way around.Dang near anything that isn't reflective or deceptive that makes it harder to pick up the ball quickly (like a white glove for example).

My first thought is that if one guy makes a different call after it had been allowed all season, then the umpires were probably instructed to put a stop to it. We'll know who was right at his next start.

tcarilli Fri Aug 17, 2012 05:21pm

I have an incredibly hard time believing a big-league umpire would pick this booger of his accord. An article I saw says it didn't come from visiting manger, but may have come from the front office.

lawump Fri Aug 17, 2012 09:39pm

My understanding is that it was an MLB directive recently sent out.

JRutledge Sun Aug 19, 2012 03:32am

Not only do I think the league said something to the umpires, I doubt there was not a complaint by someone on a team at some point.

This is pro ball, there is interaction between the officials/umpires and the league office as to what is acceptable.

Peace

CT1 Sun Aug 19, 2012 06:21am

"It wasn't La Russa, and it wasn't Reds manager Dusty Baker, either. Crew chief Jim Joyce told Collins that the league is cracking down on minute uniform violations."

Wait a minute. The league allows all kinds of chains, necklaces, etc that actually *could* be distracting to a batter, but won't allow a tiny piece of string tied around a pitcher's wrist? On the *glove* hand, yet??

C'mon, man.

JRutledge Sun Aug 19, 2012 03:06pm

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Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 852087)
"It wasn't La Russa, and it wasn't Reds manager Dusty Baker, either. Crew chief Jim Joyce told Collins that the league is cracking down on minute uniform violations."

Wait a minute. The league allows all kinds of chains, necklaces, etc that actually *could* be distracting to a batter, but won't allow a tiny piece of string tied around a pitcher's wrist? On the *glove* hand, yet??

C'mon, man.

Remember they cannot fire those guys. So whatever he was told they can do whatever they like.

Peace

JR12 Sun Aug 19, 2012 03:37pm

I'd like to see the league fine guys for not wearing their hat straight.

CT1 Sun Aug 19, 2012 04:14pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 852103)
Remember they cannot fire those guys. So whatever he was told they can do whatever they like.

Sure, the league can make any policy it wants to. Doesn't mean it makes good sense, though.

JRutledge Thu Aug 23, 2012 04:57pm

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Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 852109)
Sure, the league can make any policy it wants to. Doesn't mean it makes good sense, though.

It is a business, they can do whatever they want in their business. If leagues can tell players what they can or cannot wear out of uniform, then baseball players can be told what they can wear while in uniform. This is not nearly as restrictive as other pro sports. They can get over it.

Peace

CT1 Thu Aug 23, 2012 08:39pm

Wonder if the MLBPA will include friendship bracelets in their next contract negotiation.

MD Longhorn Fri Aug 24, 2012 09:23am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 852430)
It is a business, they can do whatever they want in their business. If leagues can tell players what they can or cannot wear out of uniform, then baseball players can be told what they can wear while in uniform. This is not nearly as restrictive as other pro sports. They can get over it.

Peace

Absolutely they can... doesn't make it less stupid.

JRutledge Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:25am

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 852471)
Absolutely they can... doesn't make it less stupid.

Well that is an opinion and a subjective one at that. And I doubt honestly they care what we think anyway.

Peace

CT1 Sat Aug 25, 2012 08:09pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 852519)
Well that is an opinion and a subjective one at that. And I doubt honestly they care what we think anyway.

As we are "consumers" of MLB, they are certainly concerned. Who do you think pays their salaries?

JRutledge Sun Aug 26, 2012 02:02am

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Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 852536)
As we are "consumers" of MLB, they are certainly concerned. Who do you think pays their salaries?

I do not think if a player has a friendship bracelet or not is going to make people in droves start or stop going to games or watching on TV. So I am sure they are not concerned with the public on this very specific issue if they have a rule or not.

Peace

CT1 Sun Aug 26, 2012 06:53am

And I am just as sure that if the viewing public perceives MLB to be as stupid in other, more important areas as they are in this specific instance, ratings (and thus advertising dollars) will decline.

Personally, I boycotted my favorite team's telecast last Thursday because of this very issue. (The fact that they played on the West Coast & it was past my bedtime anyway had nothing to do with it!)

JRutledge Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:36am

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Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 852546)
And I am just as sure that if the viewing public perceives MLB to be as stupid in other, more important areas as they are in this specific instance, ratings (and thus advertising dollars) will decline.

Personally, I boycotted my favorite team's telecast last Thursday because of this very issue. (The fact that they played on the West Coast & it was past my bedtime anyway had nothing to do with it!)

Considering that I have not heard one person outside of this forum even discuss this situation, I doubt seriously it is that big of a deal. It is a bigger deal to us because we umpire and deal with certain rules. To the rest of the public, they probably did not even know this happen and baseball anyway does a bad job marketing their sport anyway and this is not going to change as a result of someone wearing or not wearing a bracelet.

Peace

CT1 Sun Aug 26, 2012 02:52pm

"If you take care of the small things, the big things take care of themselves." -- Emily Dickinson

blueump Sun Aug 26, 2012 06:03pm

I doubt it was a directive from the front office or it would have taken place earlier in the game. This incident took place in the second inning, a full inning after Dickey had already pitched with the bracelets on!

This was something that was done by the umpire crew at that specific game. I just wish they'd spend as much time scrutinizing the outs calls they've been making when the player doesn't even have the ball!

Steven Tyler Sun Aug 26, 2012 08:44pm

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Originally Posted by blueump (Post 852564)
I doubt it was a directive from the front office or it would have taken place earlier in the game. This incident took place in the second inning, a full inning after Dickey had already pitched with the bracelets on!

This was something that was done by the umpire crew at that specific game. I just wish they'd spend as much time scrutinizing the outs calls they've been making when the player doesn't even have the ball!

This situation reminds me of the umpires that said they would carry magic markers to blacken out the label of a glove to cover up the white so it wouldn't be an "illegal" glove. Overkill to the max.


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