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Jay R Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:01am

Just when you think you've seen it all
 
I saw a very interesting umpire the other night. I stopped by to watch an U12 game and the umpire was a gentlemen I had never seen before but he kept things interesting from my perspective. The list of incorrect mechanics is too long to mention but some of the highlights include:
1. Louder calls on swinging strikes than called strikes
2. Making a call at every base even though he had a partner
3. Saying "Listen up, the count is full, bases are loaded"
4. But the best of the night when when a player slid at home when and there was no throw to the plate. The umpire "made" the player clean the plate.

RogersUmp Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:19am

Was it John Cleese?

jwwashburn Fri Jul 06, 2012 01:16pm

Maybe they asked this guy to umpire: Guy Who Has No Idea About Baseball Calls The Game - YouTube

ILRef80 Fri Jul 06, 2012 09:57pm

Was it this guy?

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Oi8JThrxwvA/0.jpg

jwwashburn Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:22pm

Can't remember who he is....remind me.

Steven Tyler Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:10pm

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Originally Posted by jwwashburn (Post 848326)
Can't remember who he is....remind me.

You need to lose your political tag line. It is out of bounds for here.

ILRef80 Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:16pm

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SanDiegoSteve Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:32pm

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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 848327)
You need to lose your political tag line. It is out of bounds for here.

Do you feel this way because your political post got yanked off the board? What if one is offended by obscure, outdated references to has-been wrestlers? Nobody told you to click on his signature. Please find something better to do with your time than major in minors.

jwwashburn Sat Jul 07, 2012 05:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 848327)
You need to lose your political tag line. It is out of bounds for here.

How is my tagline political? He must have been just horsing around, right? Otherwise, he is a bald faced liar and I wouldn't say that because that would be political.

MrUmpire Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:32am

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Originally Posted by jwwashburn (Post 848342)
How is my tagline political? He must have been just horsing around, right? Otherwise, he is a bald faced liar and I wouldn't say that because that would be political.


You're like the coach who says "I was talking to my catcher not you."

Really now, both sides could post endless videos of each candidate lying or "changing positions" on taxes, health care, abortion....damn near everything.

Then we'd have an endless thread of Willard said this and Barack said that.

Why not give this board a little peace instead?

jwwashburn Sat Jul 07, 2012 05:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 848355)
You're like the coach who says "I was talking to my catcher not you."

Really now, both sides could post endless videos of each candidate lying or "changing positions" on taxes, health care, abortion....damn near everything.

Then we'd have an endless thread of Willard said this and Barack said that.

Why not give this board a little peace instead?

I was joking, MrUmpire.

Now, about my sig: If an individual clicks on a Youtube link blindly, that person has a desire to see anything that may be on the other end.

Joe

PS November is too important to pretend that both sides are the same.

Steven Tyler Sat Jul 07, 2012 06:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwwashburn (Post 848368)
I was joking, MrUmpire.

Now, about my sig: If an individual clicks on a Youtube link blindly, that person has a desire to see anything that may be on the other end.

Joe

PS November is too important to pretend that both sides are the same.

Go ahead, I dare you.

Bill Maher Slams Mitt Romney Hard, Compares Him to Rappers (Real Time New Rules 1-20-12) - YouTube

jwwashburn Sat Jul 07, 2012 06:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 848371)

I would rather hire someone to strike me in the head with a rock.

Publius Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwwashburn (Post 848368)
PS November is too important to pretend that both sides are the same.

Interesting. For the better part of three decades, I've been opining that November is too important to pretend that they aren't.

Steven Tyler Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwwashburn (Post 848372)
I would rather hire someone to strike me in the head with a rock.

How much does it pay? There are probably some MiLB umpires that will come to your home, and do it for free.

Steven Tyler Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 848329)
Do you feel this way because your political post got yanked off the board? What if one is offended by obscure, outdated references to has-been wrestlers? Nobody told you to click on his signature. Please find something better to do with your time than major in minors.

Actually, me and my atheist rear end have been helping some church groups install window air conditioning units for folks that have no air conditioning in their homes. You know, the sick, elderly, or poor, or as you affectionately refer to them as "a pox on society".

The air conditioners are supplied free of charge by some local charities, and I have assisted in the free installation of probably a couple of dozen this week. I didn't do it because my Bible told me so either. I do it because it is the right thing to do.

Thanks for your input. Stay boring my friend.

SanDiegoSteve Sun Jul 08, 2012 01:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 848383)
Actually, me and my atheist rear end have been helping some church groups install window air conditioning units for folks that have no air conditioning in their homes. You know, the sick, elderly, or poor, or as you affectionately refer to them as "a pox on society".

The air conditioners are supplied free of charge by some local charities, and I have assisted in the free installation of probably a couple of dozen this week. I didn't do it because my Bible told me so either. I do it because it is the right thing to do.

Thanks for your input. Stay boring my friend.

Good works are nice. I do those too. You just can't get salvation or justification from good works, but they are still very good. I commend you for doing the right thing, which I do as well. I do many things to help the poor that I don't discuss because I take no glory personally in it, but rather give that glory to the Lord. I have never called the poor (of which I am in the same category, and struggle financially month to month) as a pox on society. Once again, you have misquoted me.

Steven Tyler Sun Jul 08, 2012 08:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 848389)
Good works are nice. I do those too. You just can't get salvation or justification from good works, but they are still very good. I commend you for doing the right thing, which I do as well. I do many things to help the poor that I don't discuss because I take no glory personally in it, but rather give that glory to the Lord. I have never called the poor (of which I am in the same category, and struggle financially month to month) as a pox on society. Once again, you have misquoted me.

Well the way you jumped on the Scott Walker bandwagon, and lamented affordable health care, I confused you for the 1%.

Installing the air conditioners was the easy part. Still need to get in most of those attics, and shoot insulation. Luckily the vast majority of the homes are of small square footage.

Somebody is still going to have fix the A/C so they won't get stolen out of the windows. Gonna be welding a lot of scrap iron in scorching heat. Woo hoo.

jwwashburn Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:13pm

I hear ya! Scott Walker is evil for eliminating a 3.5 Billion dollar structural deficit. How DARE him?

Steven Tyler Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwwashburn (Post 848459)
I hear ya! Scott Walker is evil for eliminating a 3.5 Billion dollar structural deficit. How DARE him?

No he didn't.

If you want to discuss politics take it to the PM's (not mine because I won't reply) or to a political forum.

SanDiegoSteve Mon Jul 09, 2012 01:28am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 848450)
Well the way you jumped on the Scott Walker bandwagon, and lamented affordable health care, I confused you for the 1%.

Installing the air conditioners was the easy part. Still need to get in most of those attics, and shoot insulation. Luckily the vast majority of the homes are of small square footage.

Somebody is still going to have fix the A/C so they won't get stolen out of the windows. Gonna be welding a lot of scrap iron in scorching heat. Woo hoo.

I have an issue with the union thugery that went on in Wisconsin and applaud the smart people there for supporting Walker over Barrett. I also know a tax increase when I see it, but would support true affordable health care, just not this PARTICULAR plan. If the elite rich liberal class would pay for it, I would be all for it.

I think you are doing a really good thing with your volunteer efforts to provide air conditioning. I know how dang hot it gets in your area, having lived there as long as I did.

Steven Tyler Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 848474)
I have an issue with the union thugery that went on in Wisconsin and applaud the smart people there for supporting Walker over Barrett. I also know a tax increase when I see it, but would support true affordable health care, just not this PARTICULAR plan. If the elite rich liberal class would pay for it, I would be all for it.

I think you are doing a really good thing with your volunteer efforts to provide air conditioning. I know how dang hot it gets in your area, having lived there as long as I did.

Good, then you shouldn't have an issue when they cut your Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid.

SanDiegoSteve Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:32pm

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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 848552)
Good, then you shouldn't have an issue when they cut your Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid.

That's a totally different issue. Stick to one issue at a time. The tax has nothing to do with these already installed programs.

RPatrino Mon Jul 09, 2012 01:22pm

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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 848381)
How much does it pay? There are probably some MiLB umpires that will come to your home, and do it for free.

Depending on the recipient, I might do it for free.

Steven Tyler Mon Jul 09, 2012 05:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 848555)
That's a totally different issue. Stick to one issue at a time. The tax has nothing to do with these already installed programs.

Cutting Federal spending on government programs is the same as a tax being levied. Taxes are Federal income. Those are what a budget comprises of.

Where do you think the money comes from in the first place? Taxes!

No wonder America, and it's education system is crumbling. Most can't do sixth grade math. Economics 101.

SanDiegoSteve Mon Jul 09, 2012 05:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 848600)
Cutting Federal spending on government programs is the same as a tax being levied. Taxes are Federal income. Those are what a budget comprises of.

Where do you think the money comes from in the first place? Taxes!

No wonder America, and it's education system is crumbling. Most can't do sixth grade math. Economics 101.

You use fuzzy math. I, meanwhile, just completed an MBA program magna cum laude from a major university last month, so no problem with my math skills at all. Also took micro and macro econ (600 series, not 100) as part of curriculum. Friedman, not Keynes, my friend, is the smarter economist. Oh, the reason education system has been crumbling since 1963, God taken out of classroom replaced by evolutionary theory. Trace it back to that.

Publius Mon Jul 09, 2012 07:06pm

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 848603)
Oh, the reason education system has been crumbling since 1963, God taken out of classroom replaced by evolutionary theory. Trace it back to that.

Darn! You'd been doing so well up to that point. Take Logic 100 (no need for a 600-level class on this) to learn that correlation is not causation. For example, I often hear the equally specious argument that the integration of classrooms, which was widely instated around the same time, is the reason.

The education system isn't crumbling at all. Respect for it, however, is.

Boy, this site is SO much more fun without Jenkins around to lock things just as they get interesting.

SanDiegoSteve Mon Jul 09, 2012 09:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Publius (Post 848610)
Darn! You'd been doing so well up to that point. Take Logic 100 (no need for a 600-level class on this) to learn that correlation is not causation. For example, I often hear the equally specious argument that the integration of classrooms, which was widely instated around the same time, is the reason.

The education system isn't crumbling at all. Respect for it, however, is.

Boy, this site is SO much more fun without Jenkins around to lock things just as they get interesting.

Well, I didn't want to go that deep into it, but there has been a direct correlation between removing God from the classroom thanks to Madalyn Murray O'Hair's lawsuit and the decline in our national test scores, juvenile crime rates, and other maladies in our society. No, correlation does not necessarily equal causation, but distinct parallels can easily be drawn, and cannot be ignored. For example, the U.S. used to be #1 in the OCED testing among teens for Science, but have fell to #29 worldwide. There are far too many problems in society to get into here who's decline can be traced back to the period following 1963. I really don't believe that classroom integration has anything to do with it either. BTW, took Logic in college in 1984. Got an A.

Matt Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 848620)
Well, I didn't want to go that deep into it, but there has been a direct correlation between removing God from the classroom thanks to Madalyn Murray O'Hair's lawsuit and the decline in our national test scores, juvenile crime rates, and other maladies in our society. No, correlation does not necessarily equal causation, but distinct parallels can easily be drawn, and cannot be ignored. For example, the U.S. used to be #1 in the OCED testing among teens for Science, but have fell to #29 worldwide. There are far too many problems in society to get into here who's decline can be traced back to the period following 1963. I really don't believe that classroom integration has anything to do with it either. BTW, took Logic in college in 1984. Got an A.

Uh, no.

I have an MA in Political Science (emphasis on political economy) and one in Criminal Justice. I work in the analysis of crime as a profession. There is no singular negative trend in juvenile crime in the last 50 years, let alone any that can be correlated with an external variable. I can also confidently state that you do not understand Keynesian economics, based off of statements you have made.

Also, since God was never removed from classrooms, your argument is baseless.

Rich Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:05pm

It's the educational equivalent of a penis size contest. Hooray!

(I have 2 math degrees and an MBA and, quite frankly, I am unimpressed with my own degrees let alone anyone else's.)

Matt Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GROUPthink (Post 848626)
It's the educational equivalent of a penis size contest. Hooray!

(I have 2 math degrees and an MBA and, quite frankly, I am unimpressed with my own degrees let alone anyone else's.)

No, it's not (at least for me.) I ****ing hate it when people use irrelevant credentials to project some sort of authority in the field in which I work. Kind of akin to a stolen-valor case, in a way.

SanDiegoSteve Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt (Post 848624)
Uh, no.

I have an MA in Political Science (emphasis on political economy) and one in Criminal Justice. I work in the analysis of crime as a profession. There is no singular negative trend in juvenile crime in the last 50 years, let alone any that can be correlated with an external variable. I can also confidently state that you do not understand Keynesian economics, based off of statements you have made.

Also, since God was never removed from classrooms, your argument is baseless.

Because I don't subscribe to Keynesian economic theory doesn't mean I don't understand its workings. My Masters of Business Administration certifies that I do indeed understand the basic fundamentals of John Maynard Keynes' brand of macroeconomics, but I consider myself more of a fan of Adam Smith, and ergo Milton Friedman's, monetarist economic teachings. In my limited exposure to what I'm sure you are expert in, I found myself relating better to Friedman than to Keynes.

As far as the Bible in the classroom goes, compulsory reading of the Bible on a daily basis was removed, effectively removing God from the classroom. Spin it any way you want. I have also seen the statistics from that time period and going forward, and there is more than enough evidence to support my claims of a correlation, if not to juvenile crime specifically, to crime and other undesirable results:

The educational standard of measure has been the SAT scores. SAT scores had been steady for many years before 1963. From 1963 they rapidly declined for 18 consecutive years, even though the same test had been used since 1941.

In 1974-75 the rate of decline of the SAT scores decreased, even though they continued to decline. That was when there was an explosion of private religious schools. There were only 1000 Christian schools in 1965. Between 1974 to 1984 they increased to 32,000.
  • Before 1963 divorce rates had been declining for 15 years. After 1963 divorces increased 300% each year for the next 15 years.
  • Since 1963 unmarried people living together is up 353%
  • Since 1963 single parent families are up 140%.
  • Since 1963 single parent families with children are up 160%.
  • Since 1963 violent crime has increased 544%.

You just can't make this sh*t up.

SanDiegoSteve Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt (Post 848629)
No, it's not (at least for me.) I ****ing hate it when people use irrelevant credentials to project some sort of authority in the field in which I work. Kind of akin to a stolen-valor case, in a way.

I don't recall ever claiming to be an authority in either economics or criminology. I was just standing up for my own beliefs in what I thought was an A and B conversation. C your way out. My credentials are hard-earned, I guarantee you that though. I mean, I only have one Masters, not two. But I do hold three different degrees, but admittedly not in economics or poli sci or criminology. I personally don't give a crap where you work or what you do, but don't go putting me down to make yourself look smart, Bud.

SanDiegoSteve Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by GROUPthink (Post 848626)
It's the educational equivalent of a penis size contest. Hooray!

(I have 2 math degrees and an MBA and, quite frankly, I am unimpressed with my own degrees let alone anyone else's.)

How can you not be impressed with your own degrees? You worked hard to obtain them, didn't you? Seeing as how most people don't have a degree at all, I would think you would have some sense of pride of accomplishment. I fought through cancer radiation and chemo while continuing my Masters, knowing I faced heart surgery when I got done. Damn right I'm proud of what I accomplished. Most people I know are downright amazed at what I've gone through since last October.

Publius Tue Jul 10, 2012 01:14am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 848640)
How can you not be impressed with your own degrees? You worked hard to obtain them, didn't you? Seeing as how most people don't have a degree at all, I would think you would have some sense of pride of accomplishment. I fought through cancer radiation and chemo while continuing my Masters, knowing I faced heart surgery when I got done. Damn right I'm proud of what I accomplished. Most people I know are downright amazed at what I've gone through since last October.

I'm not impressed with either of mine from a 'major state university'. Plenty of idiots have degrees; plenty of highly intelligent people don't. A degree is more about money than ability. As long as the higher education system is confident that they can keep getting checks from you, or from some other party on your behalf, they'll get you through.

Do your arms ever hurt from patting yourself on the back so much? I thought you christians were supposed to be humble.

Steven Tyler Tue Jul 10, 2012 01:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Publius (Post 848643)

Do your arms ever hurt from patting yourself on the back so much? I thought you christians were supposed to be humble.

Careful, I think he belongs to a church with a long linage of snake handlers....:D

zm1283 Tue Jul 10, 2012 02:37am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 848638)
Because I don't subscribe to Keynesian economic theory doesn't mean I don't understand its workings. My Masters of Business Administration certifies that I do indeed understand the basic fundamentals of John Maynard Keynes' brand of macroeconomics, but I consider myself more of a fan of Adam Smith, and ergo Milton Friedman's, monetarist economic teachings. In my limited exposure to what I'm sure you are expert in, I found myself relating better to Friedman than to Keynes.

As far as the Bible in the classroom goes, compulsory reading of the Bible on a daily basis was removed, effectively removing God from the classroom. Spin it any way you want. I have also seen the statistics from that time period and going forward, and there is more than enough evidence to support my claims of a correlation, if not to juvenile crime specifically, to crime and other undesirable results:

The educational standard of measure has been the SAT scores. SAT scores had been steady for many years before 1963. From 1963 they rapidly declined for 18 consecutive years, even though the same test had been used since 1941.

In 1974-75 the rate of decline of the SAT scores decreased, even though they continued to decline. That was when there was an explosion of private religious schools. There were only 1000 Christian schools in 1965. Between 1974 to 1984 they increased to 32,000.
  • Before 1963 divorce rates had been declining for 15 years. After 1963 divorces increased 300% each year for the next 15 years.
  • Since 1963 unmarried people living together is up 353%
  • Since 1963 single parent families are up 140%.
  • Since 1963 single parent families with children are up 160%.
  • Since 1963 violent crime has increased 544%.

You just can't make this sh*t up.

You may not be able to make that stuff up, but you are making up some fantasy that compulsory Bible reading being taken out of a classroom had anything to do with those things. Not to mention the fact that the practice is blatantly unconstitutional to begin with.

No-fault divorce laws had more to do with divorce increasing during the 70s and 80s. Divorce rates have been declining since the 90s and are at their lowest since the 70s as of a few years ago.

Oh no! Unmarried people living together! A conservative's worst nightmare! Who cares? People are also waiting longer to get married now and have kids later now.

Violent crime has actually been declining since the 80s, so I don't know how taking away prayer in schools in 1963 affects violent crime in 2012.

I can't believe there are people out there that really think prayer in schools will cure all of society's ills. The funny thing is that they're the same people prattling on about the Constitution all the time, like they really care if we follow it. They want THEIR beliefs adhered to, whether they're constitutional or not.

And Steve, if we're going to reinstate prayer in public schools, I assume it's okay if we include all religions? Hand out prayer mats and face Mecca in the morning...is that okay?

Welpe Tue Jul 10, 2012 08:05am

Yeah well, I have a PHD...Piled High and Deep (not to be confused with a PhD).

MD Longhorn Tue Jul 10, 2012 08:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 848638)
The educational standard of measure has been the SAT scores. SAT scores had been steady for many years before 1963. From 1963 they rapidly declined for 18 consecutive years, even though the same test had been used since 1941.

You just can't make this sh*t up.

Except that somebody DID. This statement, quoted over and over and over, is a lie. If "the same test" was used year after year, cheating would be rampant. The test changed every year, including a drastic change in format in 1946, changes in timing and procedure in 1958, and more drastic changes in both questions, timing, and content in 1975. There are numerous studies on this (and if you are as educated as you claim, then these studies would have been readily available to you).

First - the educational standard of measure is NOT the SAT. The test is meant to predict the aptitude of a student - defined (by them) as the ability for an incoming student to complete college. It's historical predictive powers have been quantitatively invalid. High School grades alone have been a much more accurate predictor of whether the student will complete college. The ACT is 2nd. Demographics and income levels are a worse predictor than the ACT, but better than the SAT by orders of magnitude. Random selection comes in slightly BETTER than the SAT.

Second - in the 1950's and 60's, the taking of the SAT was not standard practice by the masses. It was traditionally taken only by students who already expected to excel - those students that were headed to college. An extreme minority of the population. Average scores decreased for almost 20 years as the test began being administered to more students - and not just the top students. Over those years, as well, the students to whom it was administered grew younger (it was initially only given to exiting seniors), until we reached today's "standard" of almost every high school junior taking the test.

MD Longhorn Tue Jul 10, 2012 08:50am

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 848638)
  • Since 1963 single parent families are up 140%.
  • Since 1963 single parent families with children are up 160%.

Oh, and incidentally ... what the hell is a single parent family without children? I don't have the knowledge base background on this statistic that I do regarding the SAT... but the fact that they've given one percentage for single parent families, and a different one for single parent families with children, tells me the statistic is most likely completely fabricated. Care to point us to some independent verifiable source for these two numbers (and an explanation of what a parent without children could possibly mean - doesn't "parent" imply the existence of children???)

SanDiegoSteve Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:39am

No, I don't care to discuss this issue any further. It is obvious that everyone just wants to disagree with me so what's the point. Publius, I wasn't aware that you had such hostility toward Christians. Which is capitalized by the way. I am not patting myself on the back, but lately I have gone through things most people could not have and still continue their education. I earned my degree, nobody "got me through." I got through with a whole lot of hard work. I have every right to feel good about my accomplishments, and don't really need the approval of a bunch of anonymous posters on an umpire site.

MD Longhorn Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 848676)
No, I don't care to discuss this issue any further. It is obvious that everyone just wants to disagree with me so what's the point.

Well that's irritating.

MrUmpire Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:29am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 848620)
Well, I didn't want to go that deep into it, but there has been a direct correlation between removing God from the classroom thanks to Madalyn Murray O'Hair's lawsuit and the decline in our national test scores, juvenile crime rates, and other maladies in our society.


And at least 95% of all those who abuse drugs started with mother's milk.

Steven Tyler Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 848679)
And at least 95% of all those who abuse drugs started with mother's milk.

If that's the case, life must begin at erection..................:D

zm1283 Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 848676)
No, I don't care to discuss this issue any further. It is obvious that everyone just wants to disagree with me so what's the point. Publius, I wasn't aware that you had such hostility toward Christians. Which is capitalized by the way. I am not patting myself on the back, but lately I have gone through things most people could not have and still continue their education. I earned my degree, nobody "got me through." I got through with a whole lot of hard work. I have every right to feel good about my accomplishments, and don't really need the approval of a bunch of anonymous posters on an umpire site.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 848677)
Well that's irritating.

Yes, it is irritating, and conservatives are the best at it. I had someone on Facebook the other day post a picture of Obama and it had outright lies on it. It was about him commemorating D-Day and said he is the first president in 68 years to not do a public ceremony for D-Day. A quick Google search showed that GWB only recognized D-Day in 2001 and 2004. I pointed this out to the person who posted it, and all I got was what Steve posted above. "I'm done talking about it", "This is my opinion", "We can agree to disagree". I pointed out that you are entitled to opinions all you want, but you don't get to make up your own facts.

Steve, if you're going to make these outlandish claims, back them up. Don't go running once you get called on it. Also, no one said that you shouldn't feel good about your hard work in getting a degree. (Although I hardly think an MBA qualifies you as an economist, but that's just me)

Finally, the "hostility" toward Christians comes from Christians wanting things both ways. You never told me if praying to Mecca in public schools would be okay. Christians want us to adhere to the Constitution, but when we do, it sometimes goes against what they want, then they don't care as much about the Constitution anymore.

Did you ever think that a lot of people are disagreeing with you because what you posted is ridiculous?

Altor Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 848668)
Oh, and incidentally ... what the hell is a single parent family without children? I don't have the knowledge base background on this statistic that I do regarding the SAT... but the fact that they've given one percentage for single parent families, and a different one for single parent families with children, tells me the statistic is most likely completely fabricated. Care to point us to some independent verifiable source for these two numbers (and an explanation of what a parent without children could possibly mean - doesn't "parent" imply the existence of children???)

I don't know for sure, but I suspect that the former was for all single parent families and the latter was for single parent families with children (i.e. plural). The first includes households with only 1 child, the second does not.

Brad Tue Jul 10, 2012 01:07pm

A few posts about baseball and then 3 pages about politics and religion is absurd.

The two of you whose names *always* seem to be involved when I am alerted to a thread (and there were several people that emailed me about this) are suspended for at least a few days. Email me Friday and if I'm in a good mood and you are nice I will reinstate you.

Mods are coming ... sorry folks -- it's just been busy with work and trying to get some family time in!

- Brad


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