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teccan9nja Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:19pm

Question on Balks
 
I was watching the Texas v C. Sox games and the T pitcher has this odd sway to him and he is constantly lifting his foot during this. I kept thinking "Why is this not a Balk?" I feel that at any level i do i would be calling that every time. Can someone clear this up?

Matt Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:40pm

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Originally Posted by teccan9nja (Post 848166)
I was watching the Texas v C. Sox games and the T pitcher has this odd sway to him and he is constantly lifting his foot during this. I kept thinking "Why is this not a Balk?" I feel that at any level i do i would be calling that every time. Can someone clear this up?

Anytime you see something strange from a pitcher, the question should be the opposite: "Why would this be a balk?"

If you can't answer it, it's legal.

teccan9nja Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:07pm

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 848167)
Anytime you see something strange from a pitcher, the question should be the opposite: "Why would this be a balk?"

If you can't answer it, it's legal.

All of it looks like a balk to me. From lifting his foot and putting it back down, to his shoulder motion. It looks like a distraction to me and like it would be to the batter. Do you know the pitcher I'm talking about?

Matt Thu Jul 05, 2012 03:29am

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Originally Posted by teccan9nja (Post 848170)
All of it looks like a balk to me.

Let's rephrase--"Is there a rule being broken?"

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Originally Posted by teccan9nja (Post 848170)
From lifting his foot and putting it back down, to his shoulder motion. It looks like a distraction to me and like it would be to the batter.

Not a part of the rule.

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Originally Posted by teccan9nja (Post 848170)
Do you know the pitcher I'm talking about?

No.

mbyron Thu Jul 05, 2012 08:28am

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Originally Posted by teccan9nja (Post 848170)
All of it looks like a balk to me. From lifting his foot and putting it back down, to his shoulder motion. It looks like a distraction to me and like it would be to the batter. Do you know the pitcher I'm talking about?

I don't know what pitcher you're talking about. But many MLB pitchers have goofy stuff they do during the stretch — with their feet, body, head, hands — prior to coming set.

The balk rules say nothing about what F1 may or may not do during the stretch (the motion between taking the sign and coming set), other than allowing virtually anything. He must (1) come set, (2) just once, and (3) pitch without interruption. As long as he does that any motion is permitted.

Once he comes set, he must pitch, step and throw to a base, or disengage. But presumably that's not what you're talking about. The goofy stuff during the stretch is designed to disconcert the batter and runner, keep them off balance, and disturb their sense of the pitcher's rhythm. But distraction per se is not illegal.

umpjim Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:48am

There is a rule regarding the stretch:

"from this position he shall go to his set position as defined in Rule 8.01(b) without interruption and in one continuous motion."

But wide latitude is given in MLB to that requirement.

Steven Tyler Thu Jul 05, 2012 01:47pm

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Originally Posted by teccan9nja (Post 848170)
All of it looks like a balk to me. From lifting his foot and putting it back down, to his shoulder motion. It looks like a distraction to me and like it would be to the batter. Do you know the pitcher I'm talking about?

I'm sure you're talking about Mike Adams. He comes to a stop that is weird, and unusual for the most part compared to the majority of pitchers you see.

No it is not a balk.

JJ Thu Jul 05, 2012 07:39pm

You get a look at Adams' movements about halfway through -

Texas Rangers Pitcher - YouTube

JJ

DG Thu Jul 05, 2012 07:46pm

I have noticed that ML umpires allow strange looking stuff, if, the pitcher does it every time. I would put this in that category.

jwwashburn Thu Jul 05, 2012 07:48pm

Um, er.

I can tell the cameraman is drunk...can't tell much else.

Welpe Sat Jul 07, 2012 09:58am

Nothing illegal there.

lawump Mon Jul 09, 2012 03:23pm

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Originally Posted by DG (Post 848239)
I have noticed that ML umpires allow strange looking stuff, if, the pitcher does it every time. I would put this in that category.

And they (umpires) do so on purpose. Joe Brinkman, at his school, specifically talked about Luis Tiant's (Red Sox pitcher in the 1970's) motion when he came set. Brinkman flat-out said that MLB did not want a balk called as long as the pitcher used the same "unusual" mechanics each time he came set.

MD Longhorn Mon Jul 09, 2012 03:32pm

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Originally Posted by teccan9nja (Post 848170)
All of it looks like a balk to me. It looks like a distraction to me and like it would be to the batter.

Neither of these statements are in the rulebook. There a things a pitcher CAN'T do, and things a pitcher MUST do. If you are going to call a balk, you must be able to say to yourself... "The pitcher must do XXX, and he didn't" or "The pitcher is not allowed to do YYY, and he did."

"Looks like a balk" is not a balk.

"Looks like a distraction to me" is not a balk.

Steven Tyler Mon Jul 09, 2012 04:52pm

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Originally Posted by lawump (Post 848583)
And they (umpires) do so on purpose. Joe Brinkman, at his school, specifically talked about Luis Tiant's (Red Sox pitcher in the 1970's) motion when he came set. Brinkman flat-out said that MLB did not want a balk called as long as the pitcher used the same "unusual" mechanics each time he came set.

Think Mike Mussino also. It would have been hard to deliver a pitch from down around his ankles with his motion. If you remember he actually came to a stop twice per the rule book.


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