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Stu Clary Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:49am

Mike DiMuro: You should resign.
 
The Greatest Trick Dewayne Wise Ever Pulled Was Convincing The World He Caught This Ball [UPDATE]

How does the DiMuro not look in the glove?

kylejt Wed Jun 27, 2012 01:31am

That's hil-freakin'-larious!

I so want to play poker with that chump.

He will never, ever live that one down.

The only thing worse is EJing the player that points out your stupidity. Awesome display.

MLB.com Must C | Must C Call: Wise's leaping effort leads to dispute - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

I blame the dopey smock he's wearing. Nothing good, except being mistaken for a barber, can happen in those frocks.

Matt Wed Jun 27, 2012 01:53am

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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 847462)
That's hil-freakin'-larious!

I so want to play poker with that chump.

He will never, ever live that one down.

The only thing worse is EJing the player that points out your stupidity. Awesome display.

MLB.com Must C | Must C Call: Wise's leaping effort leads to dispute - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

I blame the dopey smock he's wearing. Nothing good, except being mistaken for a barber, can happen in those frocks.

EJ wasn't bad--hell, he gave him a LOT of leash. Still ran out.

JRutledge Wed Jun 27, 2012 02:19am

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 847464)
EJ wasn't bad--hell, he gave him a LOT of leash. Still ran out.

If he is going to be stupid enough to argue this and he probably had the benefit of replay, then he deserved to be ejected.

That being said I am shocked that the umpire did not ask for some proof he had the ball at the very least. I can see how he might have missed the actual catch, but thing it is inexcusable to not ask a basic question, "Where is the ball?" He did not have to ask the player this, just himself.

Peace

tmagan Wed Jun 27, 2012 02:38am

Simple solution: If you make a catch and fall into the stands, it is no catch and a dead ball. If you make a catch and fall into the stands in fair territory, it is a home run.

How do you know, when a player falls into the stands with the ball, that he quickly drops and recovers the ball? You don't of course, that is why the above rule is needed.

Why wont it be done? Because it makes too much sense.

Keep in mind, for the last ten years, if you make a catch in the dugout, it is no catch.

JRutledge Wed Jun 27, 2012 03:40am

Baseball seems to hate any reasonable change of any kind. This would be a good addition, but never going to happen.

Peace

Rich Wed Jun 27, 2012 07:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 847462)
That's hil-freakin'-larious!

I so want to play poker with that chump.

He will never, ever live that one down.

The only thing worse is EJing the player that points out your stupidity. Awesome display.

MLB.com Must C | Must C Call: Wise's leaping effort leads to dispute - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

I blame the dopey smock he's wearing. Nothing good, except being mistaken for a barber, can happen in those frocks.

So, he's supposed to stand and take it when the player tells him over and over that he saw the replay and the umpire f---ed it up? I know you know better than that -- getting the call wrong doesn't mean the player can come back over and inning later and reopen the play.

The smock comment is hilarious coming from a guy who has worked a 6-man crew with all six umpires in different color shirts.

REFANDUMP Wed Jun 27, 2012 08:24am

Fired tomorrow !!! Inexcusable.

Welpe Wed Jun 27, 2012 08:26am

Really? One mistake and y'all are ready to run him out on a rail? Glad to know we have so many perfect officials here.

kylejt Wed Jun 27, 2012 08:28am

Smocks are ugly. And you wouldn't wear anything like those around in public, would you?

Actually, it was a seven man crew, on a Little Legaue game. Some of the local LL guys were taking things a bit too seriously, so I decided to loosen them up a bit, and take them out of their comfort zone. Also, one guy was going to Regionals, so we rotated positions every inning, so he could see every spot on the field. (The "out" guy ate dinner, and ordered for the next guy "out").

I actually thought the EJ was funny. He absolutely blows not only the drop right in front of him, but forgets to look for the ball. Then gets a proper earful. Think how much grief that umpire took back in the dressing room from his pals. HA! They're going to prank him for the rest of the season.

JR12 Wed Jun 27, 2012 09:47am

The really funny part is the fan in the red shirt, 10 feet away proudly holding the ball over his head!!!

Rich Wed Jun 27, 2012 09:48am

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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 847477)
Smocks are ugly. And you wouldn't wear anything like those around in public, would you?

I wouldn't wear one of those things. The arms in them come 3/4 of the way down my arms. It's the worst of both worlds -- it's not short-sleeved and it's not long-sleeved.

briancurtin Wed Jun 27, 2012 09:50am

Just buy one that fits. Problem solved.

Rich Wed Jun 27, 2012 09:52am

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Originally Posted by briancurtin (Post 847489)
Just buy one that fits. Problem solved.

The arms are made (in all sizes) for people with long arms. I'm not so blessed. At least with the long sleeve jackets if a few inches of material is left over, it simply bunches up a bit at my wrist.

I would wear the smock if the sleeves ended above my elbow. They don't. I've tried a bunch on.

Stu Clary Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:11am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 847465)

I can see how he might have missed the actual catch...

In all honestly, not me. Watch the video again. The ball clearly bounces off the glove (at nearly the height of Wise's jump) as he jogs toward the play, perhaps 20-25 feet away. What else could he posibly be looking at?

kylejt Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:20am

I wonder if there's any video of that fielder coming into his dugout, and showing everyone the empty glove. That would be classic.

JRutledge Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:35am

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Originally Posted by Stu Clary (Post 847493)
In all honestly, not me. Watch the video again. The ball clearly bounces off the glove (at nearly the height of Wise's jump) as he jogs toward the play, perhaps 20-25 feet away. What else could he posibly be looking at?

Yes from the angle they show you, but that is not the angle the umpire likely sees. He is going into the stands and I would not be surprised if he was blocked or straightlined with fans. But you cannot rule on a catch even if he sees everything before he goes into the stands and not look for the ball. I get that these are great athletes and the umpire probably felt he has seen these spectacular catches before, but he still should prove it to you by showing you the ball.

Peace

Rich Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:19pm

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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 847494)
I wonder if there's any video of that fielder coming into his dugout, and showing everyone the empty glove. That would be classic.

You seem to take great joy from a Major League Umpire making a mistake. Exactly why would you?

Mountaincoach Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:21pm

I thought the best part about the whole thing was how Wise just kept his mouth shut and jogged off the field. Here's his quote from the NY Daily News: “(DiMuro) said, ‘Out,’ right away,” Wise said. “So what was I supposed to do? Run back to left field?”

Read more: Yankees and Dewayne Wise benefit from blown call by umpire Mike DiMuro as fans hide ball in stands - NY Daily News

Eastshire Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:30pm

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Originally Posted by Mountaincoach (Post 847502)
I thought the best part about the whole thing was how Wise just kept his mouth shut and jogged off the field. Here's his quote from the NY Daily News: “(DiMuro) said, ‘Out,’ right away,” Wise said. “So what was I supposed to do? Run back to left field?”

Read more: Yankees and Dewayne Wise benefit from blown call by umpire Mike DiMuro as fans hide ball in stands - NY Daily News

I never understand why all of the focus goes onto the umpire. Yes, he missed Wise cheating, but Wise was the cheater.

MD Longhorn Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:31pm

I think he got caught up in the moment. Great play - quick call. WAY too quick.

Stu Clary Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:36pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 847495)
Yes from the angle they show you, but that is not the angle the umpire likely sees.

I have to respectfully disagree. There's a great shot from umpires POV at the 28 second mark:

The Greatest Trick Dewayne Wise Ever Pulled Was Convincing The World He Caught This Ball [UPDATE]

umpjim Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:45pm

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Originally Posted by Stu Clary (Post 847509)
I have to respectfully disagree. There's a great shot from umpires POV at the 28 second mark:

The Greatest Trick Dewayne Wise Ever Pulled Was Convincing The World He Caught This Ball [UPDATE]

Should have been stopped to view the catch. Bouncing camera gives you a blur.

Mountaincoach Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:47pm

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Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 847505)
I never understand why all of the focus goes onto the umpire. Yes, he missed Wise cheating, but Wise was the cheater.

When was the last time you saw any professional athlete walk up to an official and correct a bad call that helped them? Can you imagine the repercussions he would have faced from the whole city of New York and beyond if he had spoken up or argued the call against himself? The umpire is human. And, to be quite frank, I feel sorry for him because his error will live on highlight films for the next 50 plus years.

The part that sticks in my mind is this--Surely to goodness at least one of the other umpires on that field saw the guy in the red shirt standing there holding that ball high above his head?! And, if they did and kept their mouth shut, they should be held accountable because they hung their partner out to dry in my opinion. The poor guy who blew the call never saw the guy in the red shirt holding the ball proudly above his head.

prosec34 Wed Jun 27, 2012 01:06pm

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Originally Posted by Mountaincoach (Post 847512)
When was the last time you saw any professional athlete walk up to an official and correct a bad call that helped them? Can you imagine the repercussions he would have faced from the whole city of New York and beyond if he had spoken up or argued the call against himself? The umpire is human. And, to be quite frank, I feel sorry for him because his error will live on highlight films for the next 50 plus years.

The part that sticks in my mind is this--Surely to goodness at least one of the other umpires on that field saw the guy in the red shirt standing there holding that ball high above his head?! And, if they did and kept their mouth shut, they should be held accountable because they hung their partner out to dry in my opinion. The poor guy who blew the call never saw the guy in the red shirt holding the ball proudly above his head.

Ummm, no. If he never goes to his partners for their opinion, the partners need to shut up. How would you like to work a game where your partner keeps calling time to correct you? If someone does that to me, it's a homicide waiting to happen. The golden rule of umpiring is to make your calls and keep your opinions on the other guys' calls to yourself unless properly asked.

Adam Wed Jun 27, 2012 01:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 847495)
Yes from the angle they show you, but that is not the angle the umpire likely sees. He is going into the stands and I would not be surprised if he was blocked or straightlined with fans. But you cannot rule on a catch even if he sees everything before he goes into the stands and not look for the ball. I get that these are great athletes and the umpire probably felt he has seen these spectacular catches before, but he still should prove it to you by showing you the ball.

Peace

DiMuro released a statement admitting he should have made Wise show him the ball. I'm guessing he learned his lesson the hard way on this one.

kylejt Wed Jun 27, 2012 01:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GROUPthink (Post 847501)
You seem to take great joy from a Major League Umpire making a mistake. Exactly why would you?

It's probably the God-like status that a lot of folks here view them with. I mean, guys memorize their numbers, and know what chest protectors they're wearing. They have autographed trading cards, and want to dress just like these guys.

Let's get this outta the way, though. I'm not in the same league with any of those guys. I'm just a local schlub, who teaches kids life lessons through the magic of umpiring. It's just that I use more flubs and miscues at the MLB level, than I have good examples. When we want good examples, I use MiLB guys, or local college fellows.

But on something like this, I'd holler at one my 14 year umpires for not knowing the basics of a call. "Jimmy, where was the ball?"

johnnyg08 Wed Jun 27, 2012 01:40pm

It is in the umpire manual. If a player or manager says that they went back and looked at replay, they shall be ejected. He didn't make that up, the announcers didn't know what they were talking about...they were partially right, they likely didn't know it's a guideline specifically spelled out in the MLBUM or maybe it is PBUC, I can't remember.

celebur Wed Jun 27, 2012 01:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 847505)
I never understand why all of the focus goes onto the umpire. Yes, he missed Wise cheating, but Wise was the cheater.

Unless there's something missing from the video, just how did Wise cheat? I didn't see him do anything to try to "sell" the supposed catch--he made a good run, got his glove on the ball, fell into the stands, and as he was being helped up, the umpire already ruled it a catch.

In a perfect world, Wise would have admitted the no-catch to the umpire, but keeping his mouth shut isn't really cheating. He didn't break any rules. He didn't even try to deceive the umpire. He simply kept his mouth shut when he knew the umpire made the wrong call. The blame here lies entirely on DiMuro, and he admitted his mistake (like he had any other option).

Mountaincoach Wed Jun 27, 2012 02:07pm

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Originally Posted by celebur (Post 847526)
Unless there's something missing from the video, just how did Wise cheat? I didn't see him do anything to try to "sell" the supposed catch--he made a good run, got his glove on the ball, fell into the stands, and as he was being helped up, the umpire already ruled it a catch.

Exactly. And this can be applied to the statement above about the "golden rule of umpiring". What's the difference between Wise and the other umpires who witnessed the play? Why should Wise be considered a "cheater" when the other umpires stood around and kept their mouths shut as well?

I'm sincerely asking this question--where does doing the right thing (like correcting one of your partners when they just humiliated themselves with a rare bad call) become less important than stepping on a co-worker's toes? I'm not talking about coming over and telling your fellow umpire that he missed a close tag at second, or a force-out at first, etc. I'm talking about telling your fellow umpire that he just ruled a catch for an out when a fan is standing 12 feet away holding the ball in his hand for all the world to see? Where is that "line" crossed? Little League, High School, College,.....?

ozzy6900 Wed Jun 27, 2012 02:21pm

Well, DiMuro had 2 problems:
  • He was moving (as was previously stated) when he should have been set to see the catch
  • He got straight lined by the guy in the green shirt who pointed at the guy with the ball.
There is no way DiMuro could have seen the ball fall out of the glove with that guy in the way.

All of that said, I love the way amateur umpires take pleasure in berating a professional umpire. Maybe it's because DiMuro made it and you didn't? Or maybe you think that you can do better? Be careful how you answer that because when you look in the mirror, you see an AMATEUR staring back at you..... because that is what you are! Try and remember that!

umpjim Wed Jun 27, 2012 02:22pm

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Originally Posted by Mountaincoach (Post 847529)
Exactly. And this can be applied to the statement above about the "golden rule of umpiring". What's the difference between Wise and the other umpires who witnessed the play? Why should Wise be considered a "cheater" when the other umpires stood around and kept their mouths shut as well?

I'm sincerely asking this question--where does doing the right thing (like correcting one of your partners when they just humiliated themselves with a rare bad call) become less important than stepping on a co-worker's toes? I'm not talking about coming over and telling your fellow umpire that he missed a close tag at second, or a force-out at first, etc. I'm talking about telling your fellow umpire that he just ruled a catch for an out when a fan is standing 12 feet away holding the ball in his hand for all the world to see? Where is that "line" crossed? Little League, High School, College,.....?

I thought we could point out "balls on the ground" without being asked. The calling ump could use this info to revise his call if the ball being on the ground made a difference. In this case a partner could have given the info without being asked. OR I've been wrong in thinking that this could be done.

Rich Wed Jun 27, 2012 02:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzy6900 (Post 847530)
Well, DiMuro had 2 problems:
  • He was moving (as was previously stated) when he should have been set to see the catch
  • He got straight lined by the guy in the green shirt who pointed at the guy with the ball.
There is no way DiMuro could have seen the ball fall out of the glove with that guy in the way.

All of that said, I love the way amateur umpires take pleasure in berating a professional umpire. Maybe it's because DiMuro made it and you didn't? Or maybe you think that you can do better? Be careful how you answer that because when you look in the mirror, you see an AMATEUR staring back at you..... because that is what you are! Try and remember that!

I feel for DiMuro -- he knew he couldn't stop moving because of the scenario where the guy falls in the stands. Why he didn't ask to see the ball is beyond me, but I take no pleasure in watch a MLB screw up. That's for the idiots at Deadspin to do, not someone who considers himself an umpire.

Eastshire Wed Jun 27, 2012 02:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by celebur (Post 847526)
Unless there's something missing from the video, just how did Wise cheat? I didn't see him do anything to try to "sell" the supposed catch--he made a good run, got his glove on the ball, fell into the stands, and as he was being helped up, the umpire already ruled it a catch.

In a perfect world, Wise would have admitted the no-catch to the umpire, but keeping his mouth shut isn't really cheating. He didn't break any rules. He didn't even try to deceive the umpire. He simply kept his mouth shut when he knew the umpire made the wrong call. The blame here lies entirely on DiMuro, and he admitted his mistake (like he had any other option).

He certainly did try to sell the catch as he holds his glove as if it has the ball. The fair, sporting thing would have been to show the umpire the empty glove. He cheated.

Although we don't see this often in baseball, it's endemic in soccer. At least there we also complain about the divers as well as the referees who fall for the dive.

That Wise cheated in no way let's DiMuro off the hook for not having made the correct call.

Mountaincoach Wed Jun 27, 2012 02:49pm

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Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 847533)
He certainly did try to sell the catch as he holds his glove as if it has the ball. The fair, sporting thing would have been to show the umpire the empty glove. He cheated.

I disagree. Wise got up and jogged toward the dugout AFTER the call was already made. If it's the rule or code or whatever that the field umpires don't correct such a terribly bad call, then there shouldn't be a double standard where other umpires call the player a cheater either. What's the difference between Wise keeping his mouth shut and the other umpires on the field keeping their mouths shut and not helping their fellow umpire? Is that the "sporting thing to do"?

Like I said before, I don't feel that anybody should attack DiMuro for a bad call. We're all human--we all make mistakes, whether we're MLB umpires or a 14 year old kid making minimum wage umpiring a T-ball game. I place blame completely on the other umpires (OR the rules of umpiring) for allowing that man to become a piece of history and the focus of ESPN highlight reels for the next 50 years.

Eastshire Wed Jun 27, 2012 02:58pm

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Originally Posted by Mountaincoach (Post 847536)
I disagree. Wise got up and jogged toward the dugout AFTER the call was already made. If it's the rule or code or whatever that the other umpires don't correct such a terribly bad call, then there shouldn't be a double standard where other umpires call the player a cheater either. What's the difference between Wise keeping his mouth shut and the other umpires on the field keeping their mouths shut and not helping their fellow umpire? Is that the "sporting thing to do"?

Like I said before, I don't feel that anybody should attack DiMuro for a bad call. We're all human--we all make mistakes, whether we're MLB umpires or a 14 year old kid making minimum wage umpiring a T-ball game. I place blame completely on the other umpires (OR the rules of umpiring) for allowing that man to become a piece of history and the focus of ESPN highlight reels for the next 50 years.

You need to watch it again. DiMuro signals out after Wise gets up with a closed glove. I agree that if another umpire knew that the ball hadn't been caught they should get it right. However, there's no way any of the other umpires knew it hadn't been caught. Yes, a fan held up a ball, but they had no way of knowing it was the ball and not a ball thrown into the stands earlier.

One of these days, baseball is going to get dragged out of the dark ages of each umpire is an island, but that doesn't mean we can't call out cheating when it happens (and besides, I'm not an umpire at all anymore, so whatever hypothetical standard you're proposing doesn't apply to me).

Mountaincoach Wed Jun 27, 2012 03:33pm

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Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 847537)
You need to watch it again. DiMuro signals out after Wise gets up with a closed glove. I agree that if another umpire knew that the ball hadn't been caught they should get it right. However, there's no way any of the other umpires knew it hadn't been caught. Yes, a fan held up a ball, but they had no way of knowing it was the ball and not a ball thrown into the stands earlier.

One of these days, baseball is going to get dragged out of the dark ages of each umpire is an island, but that doesn't mean we can't call out cheating when it happens (and besides, I'm not an umpire at all anymore, so whatever hypothetical standard you're proposing doesn't apply to me).

I just went back and watched it again very carefully. Wise was simply trying to get out of that "hole" he had fallen in with his glove on his hand in a very natural sideways position when DiMuro signaled the out. He didn't make any kind of motion to "present" a closed glove to the umpire. I think we're splitting hairs here (and I do indeed enjoy a spirited debate), but I respectfully disagree that Wise did anything wrong or misleading as he climbed back across the wall and onto the field. In even Little League, fielders are taught to raise the glove and "present" the ball to the umpire after a catch like that. Wise did nothing of the sort. As far as your statement that the ball held high by the fan in the red shirt could have been just any ball, I'm sorry, that's just lawyer talk. Either way, the other umpires should have stepped in and looked in Wise's glove. BUT, this is a classic case of Monday morning quarterbacking here. It's easy for us to dissect the play frame by frame, but it's another thing to be in DiMuro and Wise's shoes as it was happening.

(BTW, I have never liked the Yankees. I'd love to call Wise a cheater, but that's just not right to say in this case.)

MD Longhorn Wed Jun 27, 2012 03:43pm

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Originally Posted by ozzy6900 (Post 847530)
Well, DiMuro had 2 problems:
  • He was moving (as was previously stated) when he should have been set to see the catch
  • He got straight lined by the guy in the green shirt who pointed at the guy with the ball.
There is no way DiMuro could have seen the ball fall out of the glove with that guy in the way.

I think MOST of us who are not on TV would not be making a call until we saw ball. How many times do our clinics drill into our heads - "no ball, no call" or "don't guess an out".

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All of that said, I love the way amateur umpires take pleasure in berating a professional umpire. Maybe it's because DiMuro made it and you didn't?
I do think there's an element of that in this. But it seems to me, from watching MLB and MiLB or NCAA ball, that the mistakes due to poor mechanics are more prevalent at MLB. I think it's possible if not probable that these guys don't attend clinics with the frequency that lower level umpires do - they are not driven to improve like guys at lower levels are - and they are less likely to adapt to new mechanics. Why? Cause they don't have to. Who's going to hold a clinic that these guys can learn from? No one. Also, when you're driven, and watched, and graded, you tend to focus on the mechanics, study up on new ones, etc. I don't say this to knock on these guys who have surpassed what 99.99% of us could ever hope for. But there HAS to be some sort of complacency setting in for those that are there and have lost "the eye of the tiger" for want of a better phrase. Otherwise, mechanic issues would NEVER pop up for these guys. And they do.

(All that said... I think it's VASTLY more common that a simple error in judgement comes from MiLB or NCAA ball vs MLB.)

MD Longhorn Wed Jun 27, 2012 03:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 847537)
One of these days, baseball is going to get dragged out of the dark ages of each umpire is an island, but that doesn't mean we can't call out cheating when it happens (and besides, I'm not an umpire at all anymore, so whatever hypothetical standard you're proposing doesn't apply to me).

The dark ages that baseball will be dragged out of is called instant replay. It's coming - faster and faster as these kind of correctable errors happen.

JRutledge Wed Jun 27, 2012 04:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzy6900 (Post 847530)
All of that said, I love the way amateur umpires take pleasure in berating a professional umpire. Maybe it's because DiMuro made it and you didn't? Or maybe you think that you can do better? Be careful how you answer that because when you look in the mirror, you see an AMATEUR staring back at you..... because that is what you are! Try and remember that!

Maybe there are some that feel that way, but not me. I personally think that MLB has the worst staff of all of pro sports working games. They do things that I often do not understand and wonder if because they can never seem to be fired, they just take the easy way to do things us amateurs would get killed for doing. Look at all the very bad misses they have had. They are often not judgment misses, but procedural or mechanical mistakes that you can go to the local association and learn not to do.

To be fair, not all of us wanted to be pro umpires either. When I had the chance I did not see the value in pursuing such a thing. I am happy for those guys getting there, but do not like what they do when they get there. Or do not like the many that have no fear of reprisal do when they are there.

Peace

REFANDUMP Wed Jun 27, 2012 04:41pm

Accountability has always been my issue with major league umpires. Even the ones who are consistently rated the worst never lose their jobs. When calls are blatantly blown like some we've seen this season, many of us would no longer be working high school or college ball, much less MLB games. That's why I consistently say that umpires need to go when they make obvious errors that we would not be able to get away with at the amateur level. There are many umpires out there who could do at least as well or better.

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jun 27, 2012 05:39pm

Mike is a good umpire who made a bad call. He doesn't miss many calls, especially this magnitude. I've worked several games with him, as well as his brother Ray. His father Lou was a great MLB umpire until his untimely death. There are worse umpires in MLB than Mike DiMuro, and he certainly doesn't deserve what the OP is suggesting. Jealousy has reared its ugly head, I guess.

johnnyg08 Wed Jun 27, 2012 06:34pm

Even worse if the OP is a Cleveland homer. No place in umpiring for homers.

LeeBallanfant Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:18pm

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 847563)
Mike is a good umpire who made a bad call. He doesn't miss many calls, especially this magnitude. I've worked several games with him, as well as his brother Ray. His father Lou was a great MLB umpire until his untimely death. There are worse umpires in MLB than Mike DiMuro, and he certainly doesn't deserve what the OP is suggesting. Jealousy has reared its ugly head, I guess.

Shame on the ML and Bud Selig, Such a great umpire as Mike DiMuro has since he bacame a regular in 2000 worked a total of 2 post season
series.

What do they have against him?

JRutledge Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 847563)
Mike is a good umpire who made a bad call. He doesn't miss many calls, especially this magnitude. I've worked several games with him, as well as his brother Ray. His father Lou was a great MLB umpire until his untimely death. There are worse umpires in MLB than Mike DiMuro, and he certainly doesn't deserve what the OP is suggesting. Jealousy has reared its ugly head, I guess.

I am sure he is a wonderful guy and once again my position is not about him or anyone. But there are guys that have to grade out worse and there seems to be no fear of losing their job. Honestly that is all I am saying and when all these calls or situations come up, I would think that if some guys knew they might not be back if they are rated at the bottom and replaced the bottom with guys that can work, then the overall quality would change. And one of the problems is there are too many sons of former guys working in the Majors as well. You are telling me there are not other guys good enough than a son of a former umpire?

Peace

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:31pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 847589)
I am sure he is a wonderful guy and once again my position is not about him or anyone. But there are guys that have to grade out worse and there seems to be no fear of losing their job. Honestly that is all I am saying and when all these calls or situations come up, I would think that if some guys knew they might not be back if they are rated at the bottom and replaced the bottom with guys that can work, then the overall quality would change. And one of the problems is there are too many sons of former guys working in the Majors as well. You are telling me there are not other guys good enough than a son of a former umpire?

Peace

Mike didn't make it because of who his father was. He busted his A$$ in the Minors all throughout the 90s.

JRutledge Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:39pm

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 847591)
Mike didn't make it because of who his father was. He busted his A$$ in the Minors all throughout the 90s.

I am not saying he did get their without work. And I am sure that his education and being around his father helped him in ways it would not help others. But when you are giving more than one jobs in multiple sports to guys that dad was a former professional official, that just wreaks of nepotism. And that is part of the problem, because it does not seem like the best are getting hired in many cases. Again, all I am wondering is why can the MLB have a better staff and why they cannot get rid of a guy or two. We all know guys that just do some goofy stuff and those guys never get fired. I know that this is in large part because of the union contract, but MLB should have some power to get better guys into place. It is embarrassing to have guys that are so big that could not get hired to work HS games and screw up, but they keep their jobs. A college guy does not make weight and they get rid of them without much fanfare.

Peace

Steven Tyler Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:58pm

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Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant (Post 847588)
Shame on the ML and Bud Selig, Such a great umpire as Mike DiMuro has since he bacame a regular in 2000 worked a total of 2 post season
series.

What do they have against him?

Maybe he needs to sleep with all the Selig family since he is a lecagy.......:D

SanDiegoSteve Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:00am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 847596)
I am not saying he did get their without work. And I am sure that his education and being around his father helped him in ways it would not help others. But when you are giving more than one jobs in multiple sports to guys that dad was a former professional official, that just wreaks of nepotism. And that is part of the problem, because it does not seem like the best are getting hired in many cases. Again, all I am wondering is why can the MLB have a better staff and why they cannot get rid of a guy or two. We all know guys that just do some goofy stuff and those guys never get fired. I know that this is in large part because of the union contract, but MLB should have some power to get better guys into place. It is embarrassing to have guys that are so big that could not get hired to work HS games and screw up, but they keep their jobs. A college guy does not make weight and they get rid of them without much fanfare.

Peace

His dad died long before he ever became an umpire. Nepotism had zero to do with it. He didn't get any breaks because of who his dad was, he earned his way due to merit. I was there.

JRutledge Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:19am

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 847601)
His dad died long before he ever became an umpire. Nepotism had zero to do with it. He didn't get any breaks because of who his dad was, he earned his way due to merit. I was there.

Nepotism is not limited to what happened in this specific situation. I know many people that an individual's parents and got breaks based largely on that association. Again, I think you are focused way too much on this guy rather than the overall point I am making. My point is if this guy or others keep making bad calls like this that would get us fired at HS games if tape showed, then why is that not something that could eventually get a guy fired from MLB if they cannot keep up with the rest of the staff? There have been a lot of very bad misses this season and in past post seasons but those individuals seem to keep their rank. That is all I am asking, not whether this guy earned his spot. But even in the other sports there is a similar claim that the sons of former pro officials earned their spot too, but that does not mean there is no nepotism involved either. I am sure there are thousands that could and would be qualified to work just like the guys that are there now.

Both the NFL and NBA gets rid of a portion of their staff every year for their performance.

Peace

Steven Tyler Thu Jun 28, 2012 05:31am

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 847601)
His dad died long before he ever became an umpire. Nepotism had zero to do with it. He didn't get any breaks because of who his dad was, he earned his way due to merit. I was there.

You were there?

Steven Tyler Thu Jun 28, 2012 05:33am

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 847591)
Mike didn't make it because of who his father was. He busted his A$$ in the Minors all throughout the 90s.

Ten years in the minors is a long time. I suppose the failed resignation fiasco didn't hurt his chances either.

SanDiegoSteve Thu Jun 28, 2012 09:14am

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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 847608)
You were there?

I was there during his long minor league career, and since he was a member of my association, we heard of his progress continually.

BTW, What is a "lecagy?"

MrUmpire Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:31am

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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 847609)
Ten years in the minors is a long time.


No it's not. Guccione and Drake spent that long in AAA. Unless your name is Wendlestedt, ten years is not long at all.

Adam Thu Jun 28, 2012 01:25pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 847596)
I am not saying he did get their without work. And I am sure that his education and being around his father helped him in ways it would not help others. But when you are giving more than one jobs in multiple sports to guys that dad was a former professional official, that just wreaks of nepotism. And that is part of the problem, because it does not seem like the best are getting hired in many cases. Again, all I am wondering is why can the MLB have a better staff and why they cannot get rid of a guy or two. We all know guys that just do some goofy stuff and those guys never get fired. I know that this is in large part because of the union contract, but MLB should have some power to get better guys into place. It is embarrassing to have guys that are so big that could not get hired to work HS games and screw up, but they keep their jobs. A college guy does not make weight and they get rid of them without much fanfare.

Peace

Does it wreak of nepotism when the child of an athlete makes it to the pros or major Division 1? Griffey? Ripken? Jordan? Alomar?

I'm not saying you're wrong about ML umpires sticking around when they can't cut it, but claiming nepotism is at play doesn't seem accurate to me. It could simply be that the natural tendencies that made their fathers ML umpires were passed on to the children.

Steven Tyler Thu Jun 28, 2012 01:36pm

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Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 847629)
No it's not. Guccione and Drake spent that long in AAA. Unless your name is Wendlestedt, ten years is not long at all.

Two out of hundreds that never make the cut is a pretty low precentage rate.

Steven Tyler Thu Jun 28, 2012 01:37pm

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 847623)

BTW, What is a "lecagy?"

It's a secret word for jock sniffer.....................:)

mbyron Thu Jun 28, 2012 01:48pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 847660)
Does it wreak of nepotism when the child of an athlete makes it to the pros or major Division 1? Griffey? Ripken? Jordan? Alomar?

Agree with your point.

Save 'wreak' for what you do with havoc; you want 'reek' here, which is the stinky one.

Damn spell checkers. :)

MrUmpire Thu Jun 28, 2012 01:48pm

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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 847662)
Two out of hundreds that never make the cut is a pretty low precentage rate.


??

Your statement was that ten years in the minors is a long time...as if it were unusual. It is not. In fact, with a few exceptions it is the norm of those who move up in recent years, and looling at the line up in AAA, it will remain the norm.

Your attempt to change the comparison to those who make it and those who do not is meaningless. There are more who do not make it than do at every stage of MiLB umpiring, regarless of years in service.

Adam Thu Jun 28, 2012 02:19pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 847667)
Agree with your point.

Save 'wreak' for what you do with havoc; you want 'reek' here, which is the stinky one.

Damn spell checkers. :)

Shut up.

I was just copying Jeff.

I blame Reagan.

voiceoflg Thu Jun 28, 2012 03:59pm

I had forgotten about this about DiMuro.

Lone American umpire quits Japanese baseball

Publius Thu Jun 28, 2012 05:28pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 847602)
Nepotism is not limited to what happened in this specific situation. I know many people that an individual's parents and got breaks based largely on that association. Again, I think you are focused way too much on this guy rather than the overall point I am making. My point is if this guy or others keep making bad calls like this that would get us fired at HS games if tape showed, then why is that not something that could eventually get a guy fired from MLB if they cannot keep up with the rest of the staff? There have been a lot of very bad misses this season and in past post seasons but those individuals seem to keep their rank. That is all I am asking, not whether this guy earned his spot. But even in the other sports there is a similar claim that the sons of former pro officials earned their spot too, but that does not mean there is no nepotism involved either. I am sure there are thousands that could and would be qualified to work just like the guys that are there now.

Both the NFL and NBA gets rid of a portion of their staff every year for their performance.

Peace

Your point is well taken. But, it cuts both ways. I know a guy who got released at AAA when he was scheduled to move up because a certain evaluator never forgave that guy's relative for rescinding his resignation in the Richie Phillips fiasco. He got f##ked because of his relative .

mbyron Thu Jun 28, 2012 07:22pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 847675)
Shut up.

I was just copying Jeff.

I blame Reagan.

I won't correct Rut, because he didn't say that, and if he did, he didn't mean it, and if he did, I'm misinterpreting him, and if I'm not, it's about blueberries and he doesn't care anyway so I'm foolish for making a big deal about it.

Agree about Reagan.


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