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tibear Tue Jun 26, 2012 05:44pm

Forced or Not?
 
Situation: bases loaded, 2 outs, OBR, left handed batter.

Batter chops a ball that lands just in front of the plate and starts to run to first. For some strange reason the backcatcher picks up the ball and starts to chase the batter trying to tag him and ignores the fact that the runner on third is forced to go home. Catcher eventually gives up chasing and attempts to throw the ball to the first baseman but throws high and into right field. Once the dust settles, we have two runners that cross the plate and runners at second and third.

Now the question.......after the catcher picked up the ball and began to chase the batter he inadvertently stepped on home plate. Does the catcher knowingly have to touch the plate with the ball to get the force out at home or can he get the out call without knowing what he is doing?

DG Tue Jun 26, 2012 06:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tibear (Post 847436)
Situation: bases loaded, 2 outs, OBR, left handed batter.

Batter chops a ball that lands just in front of the plate and starts to run to first. For some strange reason the backcatcher picks up the ball and starts to chase the batter trying to tag him and ignores the fact that the runner on third is forced to go home. Catcher eventually gives up chasing and attempts to throw the ball to the first baseman but throws high and into right field. Once the dust settles, we have two runners that cross the plate and runners at second and third.

Now the question.......after the catcher picked up the ball and began to chase the batter he inadvertently stepped on home plate. Does the catcher knowingly have to touch the plate with the ball to get the force out at home or can he get the out call without knowing what he is doing?

When the backcatcher :) steps on the plate with possession of the batted ball the inning is over.

johnnyg08 Tue Jun 26, 2012 06:30pm

It is not an appeal play so the step can be accidental.

jicecone Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:28pm

And the most important part, (I know it obivious), but the umpire has to see that the catcher actually inadvertently stepped on the plate. With all that action some inexperienced umpires may not pick that up.

jwwashburn Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:23pm

What if the front catcher does the same?

ODJ Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:56am

Bacon. I want bacon.

MD Longhorn Wed Jun 27, 2012 08:39am

Five Golden Tukes.

jicecone Wed Jun 27, 2012 08:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwwashburn (Post 847456)
What if the front catcher does the same?

Thats a trick question because everyone knows you the then have a double play and the the defense has the option to select the forth out.

MD Longhorn Wed Jun 27, 2012 09:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jicecone (Post 847482)
Thats a trick question because everyone knows you the then have a double play and the the defense has the option to select the forth out.

Or the back out. In this play, there is both a back and forth out. The backcatcher must claim the back out before the front catcher claims the forth out - assuming neither the cowcatcher or dreamcatchers are involved in the play, which would bring in a whole new set of options.

Also - it is only a forth out if the runner is forthed and the fielder lisps.

Rich Wed Jun 27, 2012 09:49am

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 847479)
Five Golden Tukes.

I'd rather have the French Toast and a beer right now.

RogersUmp Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:37pm

This team has a backcatcher and a catcher?

jicecone Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 847485)
Or the back out. In this play, there is both a back and forth out. The backcatcher must claim the back out before the front catcher claims the forth out - assuming neither the cowcatcher or dreamcatchers are involved in the play, which would bring in a whole new set of options.

Also - it is only a forth out if the runner is forthed and the fielder lisps.


Now TH, Tha Tha Tha Thats Funny!!!

jicecone Wed Jun 27, 2012 01:06pm

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Originally Posted by RogersUmp (Post 847510)
This team has a backcatcher and a catcher?

No, it has a backcatcher and frontcatcher. The catcher is amidextrous.

amˇbiˇdexˇtrous [ ŕmbi dékstrəss ]

1.using each hand well: able to use the right and the left hand with equal skill
2.skillful in many ways: very skillful and versatile
3.able to catch in the front and back, as in baseball.
.

MD Longhorn Wed Jun 27, 2012 01:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jicecone (Post 847518)
No, it has a backcatcher and frontcatcher. The catcher is amidextrous.

amˇbiˇdexˇtrous [ ŕmbi dékstrəss ]

1.using each hand well: able to use the right and the left hand with equal skill
2.skillful in many ways: very skillful and versatile
3.able to catch in the front and back, as in baseball.
.

I'd give my left arm to be ambidextrous.

celebur Wed Jun 27, 2012 01:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 847479)
Five Golden Tukes.

Take off, eh? Everyone knows it's Toques, you hoser!

MD Longhorn Wed Jun 27, 2012 03:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by celebur (Post 847527)
Take off, eh? Everyone knows it's Toques, you hoser!

Sorry - I was trying to type with one hand and eat my 4 pounds of backbacon with the other.

mbyron Wed Jun 27, 2012 07:17pm

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 847540)
Sorry - I was trying to type with one hand and eat my 4 pounds of backbacon with the other.

Did you get it from the backcatcher?

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jun 27, 2012 08:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by celebur (Post 847527)
Take off, eh? Everyone knows it's Toques, you hoser!

I could use a toque or two after reading this thread.

pob14 Thu Jun 28, 2012 09:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jicecone (Post 847518)
No, it has a backcatcher and frontcatcher. The catcher is amidextrous.

amˇbiˇdexˇtrous [ ŕmbi dékstrəss ]

1.using each hand well: able to use the right and the left hand with equal skill
2.skillful in many ways: very skillful and versatile
3.able to catch in the front and back, as in baseball.
.

I saw a movie like that once. No, wait, I mean a friend of mine saw a movie like that once. Not a close friend, more of an acquaintance really. And I was drunk. He. He was drunk. Anyway, I'm pretty sure there was some ambidextrous catching going on.


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