Shortstop throws warmup pitch

[RogersUmp]

In a 14U tournament yesterday (T4) the shortstop stopped at the mound picked up the ball and threw a pitch from the rubber. He then proceeded to take his spot at short. I called him back to the mound and explained that his warmup requires him to pitch to the first batter. Was I correct in applying Fed rule 3.1.2?

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by RogersUmp

In a 14U tournament yesterday (T4) the shortstop stopped at the mound picked up the ball and threw a pitch from the rubber. He then proceeded to take his spot at short. I called him back to the mound and explained that his warmup requires him to pitch to the first batter. Was I correct in applying Fed rule 3.1.2?

Yes - but maybe you should have been getting a drink or something and not seen it.

[Dave Reed]

No, in FED, he isn't a pitcher. 3-3-1:
..... Should there be no announcement of substitutions, a substitute has entered the game when the ball is live and:
a. a runner takes the place of a runner he has replaced,
b. a pitcher takes his place on the pitcher’s plate,
c. a fielder reaches the position usually occupied by the fielder he has
replaced, or
d. a batter takes his place in the batter’s box.

He's still the shortstop.

[RPatrino]

That further reinforces Rich's suggestion. Don't pick that bugger if you don't know the rule.

[DG]

Originally Posted by Dave Reed

No, in FED, he isn't a pitcher. 3-3-1:
..... Should there be no announcement of substitutions, a substitute has entered the game when the ball is live and:
a. a runner takes the place of a runner he has replaced,
b. a pitcher takes his place on the pitcher’s plate,
c. a fielder reaches the position usually occupied by the fielder he has
replaced, or
d. a batter takes his place in the batter’s box.

He's still the shortstop.

Read b. again and then Rich's response.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by DG

Read b. again and then Rich's response.

Read the bolded part about the ball being live. Warm-ups don't count for the substitution rule.

[DG]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Read the bolded part about the ball being live. Warm-ups don't count for the substitution rule.

A difference between FED and OBR in the substitution rule, but when did ball become dead?

The JEA discussion is that absent a mgr discussion the sub is in when the intention is obvious. FED does not have a JEA discussion, so when is it obvious, or will we allow 4 warmup pitches by someone, and then the pitcher take the 5th?