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Old Mon Jun 04, 2012, 10:26am
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Ugh. The movement doesn't have to be abnormal to be interference.
Methinks you need to learn what the word OR means.
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Old Mon Jun 04, 2012, 10:37am
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.... simply standing up out of his crouch would not be interference.
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Yes, actually, it can be.
Matt, please provide an example of interference if a batter simply stands up out of his crouch.
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Old Mon Jun 04, 2012, 11:02am
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It thoroughly amazes me how some people can take a simple thing and complicate it so damn much! BI is not that hard to recognize if you stop adding all the "what if's" and the "what about" crap. Learn the definition of interference, learn when a batter may and may not vacate the box and you have all you need. It really isn't that hard!
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Old Mon Jun 04, 2012, 11:08am
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If he moves there after the catcher has the ball and I feel it's done in order to "get in the way" I have no problem calling this.
I'd call that 'abnormal.'


Batter's not obligated to get on all fours/prone to avoid F2's throw.

YMMV.
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Old Mon Jun 04, 2012, 11:14am
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I'd call that 'abnormal.'


Batter's not obligated to get on all fours/prone to avoid F2's throw.

YMMV.
I don't expect him to move at all. But if he does move, he comes under additional scrutiny. That's all I'm saying.
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Methinks you need to learn what the word OR means.
I wasn't addressing the word "or." Any movement makes him liable, abnormal or not.
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Matt, please provide an example of interference if a batter simply stands up out of his crouch.
All of them, unless the throw would have hit him anyway. The catcher is not obligated to predict what the batter is going to do.
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Old Tue Jun 05, 2012, 01:35am
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All of them, unless the throw would have hit him anyway. The catcher is not obligated to predict what the batter is going to do.
Well, that opinion is contrary to the MLBUM, JEA, and J/R interpretations.
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What is wishful thinking? That judgement is involved?
No -- that it is cut & dried. There are few calls where judgment is NOT involved.
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Old Tue Jun 05, 2012, 09:21am
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All of them, unless the throw would have hit him anyway. The catcher is not obligated to predict what the batter is going to do.
While I understand your logic, it is contrary to all guidance we've been given at multiple levels of clinics as well as written materials produced by various entities.

I urge you to discuss this interpretation with your higher-ups at the next available clinic.
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Old Tue Jun 05, 2012, 10:19am
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Any movement makes him liable, abnormal or not.
So, after the swing, the batter is supposed to instantly 'freeze' in place in the box. Uh huh. Sure he is.

Your hole is deep enough...stop digging.
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If the batter remains in the box and makes no abnormal movements, he is immune to BI, no matter where F2 throws the ball.

If he steps out or makes abnormal movements, and if he consequently hinders the defense, it is BI.

It's not that difficult in practice.
My revisions (for simplicity sake) :

If the batter remains in the box and interferes , call it.
If the batter steps out of the box and interferes, call it.
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Old Tue Jun 05, 2012, 12:41pm
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My revisions (for simplicity sake) :

If the batter remains in the box and interferes , call it.
If the batter steps out of the box and interferes, call it.
Simplicity seems to be rather unhelpful, especially regarding in obliterating the distinction between being in and out of the box.
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Simplicity seems to be rather unhelpful, especially regarding in obliterating the distinction between being in and out of the box.
I was trying to obliterate your use of the term 'abnormal' and replace it simply with the term, 'interfere'. We see interference, we call it. For example, a pitcher might make an 'abnormal' looking pick off, that might not be a balk.
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Old Tue Jun 05, 2012, 03:47pm
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I was trying to obliterate your use of the term 'abnormal' and replace it simply with the term, 'interfere'. We see interference, we call it. For example, a pitcher might make an 'abnormal' looking pick off, that might not be a balk.
What counts as interference is different depending on whether the batter is in the box. Normal movements in the box are legal; normal movements out of the box might not be.

Your formulation is content-free and useless: call interference when the batter interferes. The point of the thread is to illuminate what the batter can and cannot do, and your post doesn't help.
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