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mattmets Tue May 29, 2012 10:32pm

Batters Interference?
 
Had a game tonight and think I had BI, but wanted to get others' thoughts (good or bad).

JV, played by NFHS rules. R2, 2 outs. Runner steals on the pitch. Batter swings and misses. F2 attempts to throw out R2, but the throw hits the bat, which is raised above the batter's head. Throw sails off near F6 and rolls into left field, runner scores. I call BI for the bat being in the way of the throw because it was above the batter's head. Had the bat been shoulder high or a normal backswing, I wouldn't have called BI. Batter was still located in the box at the time of the throw.

Did I nail it or kick it? Also had CI and umpire interference by my partner- this was an odd game to say the least.

FWIW- IMO R2 would have been out by 3-4 feet had the throw been online.

Rich Tue May 29, 2012 11:14pm

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Originally Posted by mattmets (Post 843947)
Had a game tonight and think I had BI, but wanted to get others' thoughts (good or bad).

JV, played by NFHS rules. R2, 2 outs. Runner steals on the pitch. Batter swings and misses. F2 attempts to throw out R2, but the throw hits the bat, which is raised above the batter's head. Throw sails off near F6 and rolls into left field, runner scores. I call BI for the bat being in the way of the throw because it was above the batter's head. Had the bat been shoulder high or a normal backswing, I wouldn't have called BI. Batter was still located in the box at the time of the throw.

Did I nail it or kick it? Also had CI and umpire interference by my partner- this was an odd game to say the least.

FWIW- IMO R2 would have been out by 3-4 feet had the throw been online.

Unless the batter moved the bat to be in the way after the pitch, you kicked it. He has no requirement to move from his position in the batter's box -- the catcher is expected to throw around him.

Matt Tue May 29, 2012 11:21pm

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Originally Posted by GROUPthink (Post 843952)
Unless the batter moved the bat to be in the way after the pitch, you kicked it.

Not necessarily. Intent is not required.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GROUPthink (Post 843952)
He has no requirement to move from his position in the batter's box

Being in the box does not render the batter immune from interference.

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Originally Posted by GROUPthink (Post 843952)
-- the catcher is expected to throw around him.

Not necessarily.

Rich Ives Tue May 29, 2012 11:56pm

Bad call.

Matt Wed May 30, 2012 12:12am

Htbt.

asdf Wed May 30, 2012 06:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattmets (Post 843947)
I call BI for the bat being in the way of the throw because it was above the batter's head. Had the bat been shoulder high or a normal backswing, I wouldn't have called BI. Batter was still located in the box at the time of the throw.

Did I nail it or kick it? FWIW- IMO R2 would have been out by 3-4 feet had the throw been online.

Based on your words, you kicked it big time.

Rich Wed May 30, 2012 07:57am

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 843953)
Not necessarily. Intent is not required.



Being in the box does not render the batter immune from interference.



Not necessarily.

I'm talking about a pitch that went straight from the pitcher's hand to the catcher's glove. Not talking about any exceptions or oddities, such as a pitch that bounced up or anything like that. If it's a simple pitch-catch-throw, the batter has no duty or responsibility to do anything, including lowering the bat.

MD Longhorn Wed May 30, 2012 08:39am

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 843953)
Not necessarily. Intent is not required.

Being in the box does not render the batter immune from interference.

Not necessarily.

Given the OP, are you saying you thought the call was right? If so, I believe you are incorrect. In a sitch like the OP, without intent, this is NOT interference.

ozzy6900 Wed May 30, 2012 11:05am

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Originally Posted by mattmets (Post 843947)
Had a game tonight and think I had BI, but wanted to get others' thoughts (good or bad).

JV, played by NFHS rules. R2, 2 outs. Runner steals on the pitch. Batter swings and misses. F2 attempts to throw out R2, but the throw hits the bat, which is raised above the batter's head. Throw sails off near F6 and rolls into left field, runner scores. I call BI for the bat being in the way of the throw because it was above the batter's head. Had the bat been shoulder high or a normal backswing, I wouldn't have called BI. Batter was still located in the box at the time of the throw.

Did I nail it or kick it? Also had CI and umpire interference by my partner- this was an odd game to say the least.

FWIW- IMO R2 would have been out by 3-4 feet had the throw been online.

It sounds to me that the batter did nothing wrong, here. I believe you kicked this one.

Matt Thu May 31, 2012 06:35am

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Originally Posted by GROUPthink (Post 843984)
I'm talking about a pitch that went straight from the pitcher's hand to the catcher's glove. Not talking about any exceptions or oddities, such as a pitch that bounced up or anything like that. If it's a simple pitch-catch-throw, the batter has no duty or responsibility to do anything, including lowering the bat.

That's funny--since I didn't say anything like that.

Matt Thu May 31, 2012 06:37am

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 843991)
Given the OP, are you saying you thought the call was right?

Asked and answered. I don't know. Wasn't there.

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 843991)
If so, I believe you are incorrect. In a sitch like the OP, without intent, this is NOT interference.

Take the word intent and throw it away. Intent is not required.

DG Thu May 31, 2012 07:32am

It is amazing the number of times we see HTBT as a response. I can read what is written and comment on it as written without having to be there.

Not interference in this case, as written.

Matt Thu May 31, 2012 07:44am

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Originally Posted by DG (Post 844131)
It is amazing the number of times we see HTBT as a response. I can read what is written and comment on it as written without having to be there.

Not interference in this case, as written.

Okay, God, why was the bat above his head?

Rich Thu May 31, 2012 08:00am

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 844134)
Okay, God, why was the bat above his head?

Most batters have the barrel end of the bat above their heads when in a hitting stance. They are not required to lower it when a player is stealing. Are you reading that the bat was raised up higher than the normal stance?

MD Longhorn Thu May 31, 2012 08:13am

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 844128)
Take the word intent and throw it away. Intent is not required.

On a batter that just swung at a pitch, it sure is. Describe for us a situation where the batter swings at a pitch, is hit by the ball being thrown from the catcher to a base, and there is no intent to interfere by the batter, where you believe interference to be the right call.

asdf Thu May 31, 2012 08:23am

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 844134)
Okay, God, why was the bat above his head?

You've never seen a batter end up with the barrel above his head after a swing? Happens all the time after a swing.

Unless he was trying to swat the throw out of the air, why does it matter where the bat was?

mbyron Thu May 31, 2012 08:41am

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 844134)
Okay, God, why was the bat above his head?

You might have seemed less antagonistic by leading with the thought that the batter holding the bat above his head qualifies as an abnormal movement making him liable for interference.

I think it's unclear from the OP whether the position of the bat was a natural consequence of a normal swing.

mattmets Thu May 31, 2012 10:41am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 844142)
You might have seemed less antagonistic by leading with the thought that the batter holding the bat above his head qualifies as an abnormal movement making him liable for interference.

I think it's unclear from the OP whether the position of the bat was a natural consequence of a normal swing.

The bat was almost vertical when the throw hit it. It wasn't a normal backswing, but I didn't have the batter sticking the bat out in an attempt to deflect the throw (I didn't judge intent to be to cause interference).

ozzy6900 Thu May 31, 2012 11:12am

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Originally Posted by mattmets (Post 844150)
The bat was almost vertical when the throw hit it. It wasn't a normal backswing, but I didn't have the batter sticking the bat out in an attempt to deflect the throw (I didn't judge intent to be to cause interference).

Excuse me but are you an umpire or a batting coach? You've been told by a multitude of people that the batter did nothing wrong. When are you going to listen?

And you people wonder why I get an attitude online.... LISTEN - LEARN or go post somewhere else!

mattmets Thu May 31, 2012 11:48am

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Originally Posted by ozzy6900 (Post 844153)
Excuse me but are you an umpire or a batting coach? You've been told by a multitude of people that the batter did nothing wrong. When are you going to listen?

And you people wonder why I get an attitude online.... LISTEN - LEARN or go post somewhere else!

Oz, I'm not sure why you're freaking out on me. All I was doing was answering a question for someone looking for more information. I'm owning the fact that I think I kicked it- where did you see anything otherwise?

And people wonder why we can't keep good young umpires....when older guys can't help give feedback, it turns us off to the profession.

LMan Thu May 31, 2012 12:02pm

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 843958)
Htbt.

The Almighty expects better from you.

Matt Thu May 31, 2012 05:13pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 844142)
You might have seemed less antagonistic by leading with the thought that the batter holding the bat above his head qualifies as an abnormal movement making him liable for interference.

I think it's unclear from the OP whether the position of the bat was a natural consequence of a normal swing.

Other than the fact he explicitly said it wasn't.


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