Brett Lawrie throws helmet at Miller

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

He was not doing his job when he called strike 3 on ball 4 and did so on purpose.

This is why the batter went nuts. That is a reason, not an excuse. The umpire created the situation...the batter reacted in a completely inappropriate manner and should certainly be sanctioned for his inexcusable action.

Of course, the umpire should be sanctioned, as well. I also think it should be a public act.

I'm sorry. I deal with reality and facts not suppositions.

It's okay to disagree. You can believe that umpires are subject to violence as a direct result of their calls.

I don't. Thankfully, MLB doesn't.

Enjoy your evening. Moving on, now.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

I'm sorry. I deal with reality and facts not suppositions.

It's okay to disagree. You can believe that umpires are subject to violence as a direct result of their calls.

I don't. Thankfully, MLB doesn't.

Enjoy your evening. Moving on, now.

I said what I said. I did not say what you said I believe.

The batter was completely wrong and should be suspended. The fact that the batter's actions were completely wrong does not negate the fact that the umpire's action set up the situation.

[REFANDUMP]

If I missed pitches that badly, I wouldn't be doing high school or college games. Why MLB allows that, I have no clue. These umpires need to be held to a higher standard. Disgraceful !!!

[CT1]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

If I missed pitches that badly, I wouldn't be doing high school or college games. Why MLB allows that, I have no clue. These umpires need to be held to a higher standard. Disgraceful !!!

Does your HS/college group have a union?

[REFANDUMP]

Originally Posted by CT1

Does your HS/college group have a union?

I think you hit the nail on the head. I'd like to work with a wise man such as yourself, assuming you could carry me !!!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

If I missed pitches that badly, I wouldn't be doing high school or college games. Why MLB allows that, I have no clue. These umpires need to be held to a higher standard. Disgraceful !!!

Give me a break. If you did not call the 5th pitch a strike at some point, your games will take much longer at the HS level I can guarantee you that one. That might be the closest you would get in many HS games to the outside corner.

Peace

[REFANDUMP]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Give me a break. If you did not call the 5th pitch a strike at some point, your games will take much longer at the HS level I can guarantee you that one. That might be the closest you would get in many HS games to the outside corner.

Peace

I will give the pitcher the corner. I will not give a pitcher 5 - 6 inches off the plate. It sounds like you're a good, quality official who works at a high level. I'm guessing that you don't either.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

I will give the pitcher the corner. I will not give a pitcher 5 - 6 inches off the plate. It sounds like you're a good, quality official who works at a high level. I'm guessing that you don't either.

I have never had a game with a computer tracking my calls either. And that pitch by all accounts was what gets called at the HS and college levels all the time. Half the time in HS if a pitcher can get the ball around the plate you call as many strikes as you can. Let us not get ridiculous and think that we are so good or have so much talent that we would not call that pitch a strike under the right circumstances. If you do, then you are lying to yourself and your ability. Even with my ability, whatever that might be, I still have to do what I can to call strikes or my games will never end.

Peace

[jwwashburn]

Jrutledge, you actually do not think it was likely that the umpire did an FU on that pitch? Of course, none of us know for sure...but, come onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Even with my ability, whatever that might be, I still have to do what I can to call strikes or my games will never end.

Cheater.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Even with my ability, whatever that might be, I still have to do what I can to call strikes or my games will never end.
Peace

Even at the college level (I only work small college), I aggressively call strikes. I work with some umpires who call coffee can-sized zones (pitches outside corner called balls and forget about the ones at the hollow of the knee -- too much work to get those) and those are the 3+ hour games where everyone gets pissy and the gripes start out low with a gradual crescendo.

Do I go into the other batter's box? Hell, no. But a pitch just off the corner is going to be a strike all day. Inside and outside. Both ways. If you bought coaches a beer and asked them about it, they'd tell you they would rather have an umpire call strikes from the first pitch, I'm sure. I know one or two have said that to me away from the field.