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ozzy6900 Wed Apr 04, 2012 03:34pm
"Hey coach, does the pitch belong in the batter's box?"

NCAA has the best idea. If the batter is completely within the box and the pitch enters the box, there is no question, nor does said batter have to move. HBP

APG Wed Apr 04, 2012 03:53pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by welpe (Post 835756)
nobody calls illegal helmet contact either.
So true lol...:D

Rich Wed Apr 04, 2012 04:07pm
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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 835747)
I think we ought to throw a flag for butt-blocking and be done with it.

StlCards Wed Apr 04, 2012 06:06pm
or aiding the runner...

bigjohn Wed Apr 04, 2012 06:10pm
You boys read the POEs yet?

jicecone Wed Apr 04, 2012 07:18pm
Score 12 - 0

First, second and third batter hit home runs for winning team. Next pitch is a 64 mph to the mid-section of the batter. Batter takes the hit and starts to run to first.

Are you going to call him back?

Are you going to eject the pitcher?

Guaranteed, whatever you decide there will be a coach out there that will disagree. But thats ok, the Rulebook says the batter permitted the ball to hit him. "Come back here son".

Sometimes you just have to umpire .......PERIOD.

Welpe Wed Apr 04, 2012 08:36pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 835788)
You boys read the POEs yet?
The Federation POEs mean as much to me as my dog's presents in the yard.

SanDiegoSteve Wed Apr 04, 2012 09:01pm
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 835699)
if the pitch is so slow that any player at that age should reasonably be expected to get out of it's way - i don't award.

If the batter turns into the pitch or sticks out an elbow or knee - i don't award.

In just about every other case - give them the base.
+1

Quote:
Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 835709)
this part is incorrect and causes confusion. The rule requires umpire judgment: Did the player intentionally permit the pitch to hit him?

Some pitches give a batter time to get out of the way. But sometimes a batter freezes and doesn't know which way to move. If i judge that the batter deliberately allowed the pitch to hit him -- or even moved into it -- i'll keep him in the box. Otherwise, hbp.

If a coach complains, i'll tell him: If you don't want him to get 1b, don't pitch in the batter's box.
+2

bigjohn Wed Apr 04, 2012 09:18pm
The umpire in the op said the rule changed. Like he would have kept him at the plate under the 'old' rule.

asdf Wed Apr 04, 2012 09:28pm
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Originally Posted by StlCards (Post 835695)
Is there a question here?
No.

Just a narcicist needing to show that in his mind he's still important......

........and trying to prove he knows less about baseball than football.


Successful on point #2.

Steven Tyler Wed Apr 04, 2012 09:37pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by jicecone (Post 835791)
Score 12 - 0

First, second and third batter hit home runs for winning team. Next pitch is a 64 mph to the mid-section of the batter. Batter takes the hit and starts to run to first.

Are you going to call him back?

Are you going to eject the pitcher?
It depends on who you think instigated the situation.

Did the pitcher throw at the batter, or did the batter "take one for the team".

SanDiegoSteve Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:02pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by jicecone (Post 835791)
Score 12 - 0

First, second and third batter hit home runs for winning team. Next pitch is a 64 mph to the mid-section of the batter. Batter takes the hit and starts to run to first.

Are you going to call him back?

Are you going to eject the pitcher?

Guaranteed, whatever you decide there will be a coach out there that will disagree. But thats ok, the Rulebook says the batter permitted the ball to hit him. "Come back here son".

Sometimes you just have to umpire .......PERIOD.
64 MPH? Did the ball bounce up and hit the batter? Was Satchel Paige throwing an Ephus pitch? Perhaps the batter was a slow kid with slow reactions and couldn't get out of the way, or was so mesmerized by the ball coming in looking like a beach ball that he froze.

I'm not ejecting any pitcher who tries to hit a batter with a 64 MPH pitch.

Rich Ives Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:02pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 835817)
64 MPH? Did the ball bounce up and hit the batter? Was Satchel Paige throwing an Ephus pitch? Perhaps the batter was a slow kid with slow reactions and couldn't get out of the way, or was so mesmerized by the ball coming in looking like a beach ball that he froze.

I'm not ejecting any pitcher who tries to hit a batter with a 64 MPH pitch.
Trying to hit the batter is an automatic ej - and it's usually really obvious.

SanDiegoSteve Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:33pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 835823)
Trying to hit the batter is an automatic ej - and it's usually really obvious.
My point was that if 64 is the best you can do, then you really aren't good enough to throw at a batter intentionally to start with.


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