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onetime1 Mon Feb 20, 2012 03:03pm

Legal bats
 
Are all BBCOR bats legal for this spring's NFHS baseball games?

bob jenkins Mon Feb 20, 2012 03:07pm

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Originally Posted by onetime1 (Post 826076)
Are all BBCOR bats legal for this spring's NFHS baseball games?

Assuming they are properly marked and meet the rest of the requirements, yes.

(But, NCAA just ruled one BBCOR bat to not be legal -- so FED *might* follow).

RPatrino Mon Feb 20, 2012 03:31pm

Ok, am I abnormal (hey watch it!) because I don't get my panties in a twist over these bat questions? I am not going looking for bat infractions, so sue me..LOL :D

nopachunts Mon Feb 20, 2012 05:02pm

BBCOR Bat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 826078)
Assuming they are properly marked and meet the rest of the requirements, yes.

(But, NCAA just ruled one BBCOR bat to not be legal -- so FED *might* follow).

Why was it disallowed? Was it marked properly?

onetime1 Mon Feb 20, 2012 06:55pm

What bat did the NCAA just rule illegal?

Matt Mon Feb 20, 2012 07:18pm

The Marucci 33" CAT 5 is now illegal in NCAA--the sample provided for testing did not pass BBCOR standards.

ozzy6900 Tue Feb 21, 2012 02:45pm

We (umpires), no longer check the bats & helmets as of January 2012. It is the Head Coach's responsibility to make sure that the bats and helmets are properly labeled and approved. We are supposed to ask the Head Coach at the plate meeting (you do have a plate meeting, don't you?) if their players are properly equipped (that includes helmets and bats, now).

So the only time we become involved is if there is an appeal from the defense that an improper bat is being used. As long as the stamp or emboss says BBCORE, the bat is okay. No stick-on labels are allowed.

BretMan Tue Feb 21, 2012 03:28pm

Just received an email today from our local association president (central Ohio) stating that the NFHS has deemed the Marucci to be an illegal bat.

mbyron Tue Feb 21, 2012 04:36pm

Marucci’s 33-inch Cat 5 baseball bat has been banned by the NCAA and NFHS Baseball Express

jicecone Tue Feb 21, 2012 07:04pm

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Originally Posted by BretMan (Post 826385)
Just received an email today from our local association president (central Ohio) stating that the NFHS has deemed the Marucci to be an illegal bat.

Just got the same type of email today in LA. also.

yawetag Tue Feb 21, 2012 08:00pm

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Originally Posted by ozzy6900 (Post 826363)
So the only time we become involved is if there is an appeal from the defense that an improper bat is being used. As long as the stamp or emboss says BBCORE, the bat is okay. No stick-on labels are allowed.

We can also be asked by a coach pre-game if a bat is legal.

onetime1 Tue Feb 21, 2012 08:04pm

So it is kind of my problem now as an umpire. What is the plan of action if a player brings an illegal BBCOR Marucci 5 33/30 bat to home plate to hit? Do you allow this to happen and wait for the defense to appeal or stop the action before the hitter steps into the box?

Forest Ump Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:10pm

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Originally Posted by onetime1 (Post 826431)
So it is kind of my problem now as an umpire. What is the plan of action if a player brings an illegal BBCOR Marucci 5 33/30 bat to home plate to hit? Do you allow this to happen and wait for the defense to appeal or stop the action before the hitter steps into the box?

Why is it your problem now? There are NFHS rules for dealing with a batter who steps in the box with an illegal bat and for dealing with the HC. The rule enforcement has not changed.

The coaches get the same info we get, maybe more. If a player steps in with an illegal bat, he's cheating. Take care of cheaters.

onetime1 Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:14pm

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Originally Posted by Forest Ump (Post 826440)
Why is it your problem now? There are NFHS rules for dealing with a batter who steps in the box with an illegal bat and for dealing with the HC. The rule enforcement has not changed.

The coaches get the same info we get, maybe more. If a player steps in with an illegal bat, he's cheating. Take care of cheaters.

Take care of cheaters by letting him cheat or not?

ODJ Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:55pm

Penalize cheaters.

nopachunts Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:01am

Illegal Bats/Equipment
 
Texas Association of Sports Officials has given us cards for the coaches/representatives to sign at the plate attesting to the proper equipping of players and their equipment being legal.

bob jenkins Wed Feb 22, 2012 07:58am

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Originally Posted by onetime1 (Post 826448)
Take care of cheaters by letting him cheat or not?

If you see it, enforce it. On this issue, I'd try to see it before the kid steps into the box.

MikeStrybel Wed Feb 22, 2012 08:49am

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Originally Posted by onetime1 (Post 826448)
Take care of cheaters by letting him cheat or not?

Sometimes you just have to umpire. Call what you see.

Most players will know when the opposing team is using an illegal bat. I once had a catcher ask me to look at one after the kid roped one to the wall. It was a -8, which looks like -3 when you get it dirty. I had to umpire.

onetime1 Wed Feb 22, 2012 09:31am

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Originally Posted by ODJ (Post 826458)
Penalize cheaters.

How can I penalize? I am not checking bats anymore? But am knowledgable to know this marucci model is illegal.

Welpe Wed Feb 22, 2012 09:40am

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Originally Posted by nopachunts (Post 826460)
Texas Association of Sports Officials has given us cards for the coaches/representatives to sign at the plate attesting to the proper equipping of players and their equipment being legal.

Oh jimminy, they carried that insanity over from football to baseball? I sure hope they leave basketball alone.

nopachunts Wed Feb 22, 2012 09:59am

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 826515)
Oh jimminy, they carried that insanity over from football to baseball? I sure hope they leave basketball alone.

They will for this year, LOL.

Welpe Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:11am

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Originally Posted by nopachunts (Post 826528)
They will for this year, LOL.

Maybe the UIL/TASO battle will heat up again and give the TASO board a distraction.

bob jenkins Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:31am

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Originally Posted by onetime1 (Post 826509)
How can I penalize? I am not checking bats anymore? But am knowledgable to know this marucci model is illegal.

How did you penalize before if you checked the bats, but someone asked after one was used? Same answer this year. IF you see the kid brinign one to the plate, stop him before he enters the box. If he enters the box, enforce the penalty.

onetime1 Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:44am

OK Thanks - Sounds like fun. Everytime a white Marucci is used during a game I must inspect to make sure the size is not 33/30.

jicecone Wed Feb 22, 2012 07:40pm

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Originally Posted by onetime1 (Post 826557)
OK Thanks - Sounds like fun. Everytime a white Marucci is used during a game I must inspect to make sure the size is not 33/30.

Takes all of two seconds. Son can I see that bat. Coach, this bat was decertified yesterday by the state of LA.

Your right Blue, we will take care of that.

Actual scrimmage that took place 5 hours ago.

BSUmp16 Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:51am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 826549)
how did you penalize before if you checked the bats, but someone asked after one was used? Same answer this year. If you see the kid brinign one to the plate, stop him before he enters the box. If he enters the box, enforce the penalty.

+1

Steven Tyler Mon Feb 27, 2012 04:43pm

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Originally Posted by nopachunts (Post 826460)
Texas Association of Sports Officials has given us cards for the coaches/representatives to sign at the plate attesting to the proper equipping of players and their equipment being legal.

All associations in Texas, or just yours?

nopachunts Mon Feb 27, 2012 05:59pm

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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 828260)
All associations in Texas, or just yours?

From what we have been told it's for all HS baseball games regardless of level. We have several football officials in our chapter and football had to get them signed for this year too.

jchamp Fri Mar 02, 2012 06:18pm

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Originally Posted by nopachunts (Post 826460)
Texas Association of Sports Officials has given us cards for the coaches/representatives to sign at the plate attesting to the proper equipping of players and their equipment being legal.

So the verbal statement before two officials and the opposing coach wasn't enough, now they want a paper trail to certify qualifications for a game played by children?
Even MLB doesn't go this crazy, that I know of.

thumpferee Wed May 09, 2012 10:30am

PIAA bulliten
 
I just received an email from PIAA stating the 33" Marucci and Reebok Vector had been de-classified by the NCAA and are listed as non-compliant bats and are not to be used in PIAA member school contests!

mbyron Wed May 09, 2012 10:34am

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Originally Posted by thumpferee (Post 840914)
I just received an email from PIAA stating the 33" Marucci and Reebok Vector had been de-classified by the NCAA and are listed as non-compliant bats and are not to be used in PIAA member school contests!

The wheels turn slower in some places...

Ohio isn't usually a "fast track," but we had the announcements the day after NFHS declassified them.

thumpferee Wed May 09, 2012 11:01am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 840917)
The wheels turn slower in some places...

Ohio isn't usually a "fast track," but we had the announcements the day after NFHS declassified them.

You near Warren? Like to see you call if so. Love going to games away from home.

d26 Wed May 09, 2012 11:36am

http://www.mme.wsu.edu/~ssl/certified/certification.html

In case you want to know before it gets filtered to you through channels.


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