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ahouk Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:01pm

I searched but couldn't find this situation.

Ball is hit slowly toward third base, rolls into foul territory and then back toward and hits 3rd base. No one touched the ball until after the ball hit 3rd base. Fair or foul?

Thanks.

JRutledge Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:10pm

Fair ball. The ball was in fair territory before it went past the base.

Peace

Rich Ives Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:52pm

What did you search? One need not look far.

2.00 "<u>A FAIR BALL is a batted ball</u> that settles on fair ground between home and first base, or between home and third base, or that is on or over fair territory when bounding to the outfield past first or third base, or <u>that touches</u> first, second or <u>third base</u>, or that . . . .

thumpferee Wed Jun 04, 2003 08:04am

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich Ives
What did you search? One need not look far.

2.00 "<u>A FAIR BALL is a batted ball</u> that settles on fair ground between home and first base, or between home and third base, or that is on or over fair territory when bounding to the outfield past first or third base, or <u>that touches</u> first, second or <u>third base</u>, or that . . . .

I have a question on this rule.

At what point exactly does a ball need to pass the bag?

Front left corner for 3rd base(Front right corner 1st base)?

Example: Slow roller down first base line. Ball rolls, from fair territory, around the base and comes to rest on the foul side of first BUT touching the bag.


Rich Ives Wed Jun 04, 2003 08:57am

Pardon my being trite on your example, but just what part of "touches third base" is so hard to understand? If the ball touches the base it is fair.

As for a ball bouncing over the bag - if any part of the ball goes over the bag it is a fair ball.

David B Wed Jun 04, 2003 10:10am

exactly
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Rich Ives
Pardon my being trite on your example, but just what part of "touches third base" is so hard to understand? If the ball touches the base it is fair.

As for a ball bouncing over the bag - if any part of the ball goes over the bag it is a fair ball.

I had an example play this year, luckily we were working 3-man crew because 2 man would have never gotten it.

Ball is hit hard just inside the line, (maybe 2 or 3 inches) bounces in front of the bag foul, but then as it goes over the back corner of the bag into foul territory it just scrapes the bag. Fair ball.

I know if I was PU I would have called it foul.

I asked PU and he thought it was foul.

Anyway it can happen.

Thanks
David

4 Sport Official Wed Jun 04, 2003 03:09pm

Just think of the bag as the base of an imaginary fair pole/foul pole, for the purposes of batted balls that have been grounded. For all intensive purposes it works the same way as the "foul" pole, with the exception of a fair ball IN FLIGHT. Just picture what would happen if there were a 15" x 15" pillar rising up from the ground where the bag is located up to the heavens. Would the bounding ball have contacted this imaginary pillar? DING!!! Fair ball.



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