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jicecone Tue Jan 17, 2012 07:20pm
Just remember, if everything about baseball was perfect at every level, we wouldn't need this forum.

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO TEACH YOUTH TODAY:

Enjoy what you do, play hard and fair and always respect the rules and your opponents.

We all ready have way too many whinners in sports as it is.

Rich Ives Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:51am
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Originally Posted by justanotherblue (Post 814296)
On 60' base's yes, however on 70' base's you have a game again. As far as I know, LL is the only league still playing 60' base's only, while every other league, PONY, Dixie, Cal Ripken, USSSA, AABC all allow/play 70' base's with leading off and stealing. I've heard LL is looking at expanding to the 70' base path, they just need to take the plunge and do it. It's a better game overall.
LL has had a 70' trial for a couple of years now. From what I've gathered from around the web not many leagues are even trying it. I know none in our area are, not even the independents.

RPatrino Wed Jan 18, 2012 06:55pm
Pony baseball has been around for a very long time, and Little League obviously doesn't see it as a threat to their program, or they would have changed their rules to allow a more 'realistic' baseball experience.

DG Wed Jan 18, 2012 09:01pm
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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 814045)
Let me answer the next question

"You mean to tell me if a kid gets one foot from home plate, then turns around, runs 59 feet back to third, and dives in head first, that's okay?"

Yup.

"That makes no sense"

Yup.
3rd world...

justanotherblue Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:18pm
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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 814390)
LL has had a 70' trial for a couple of years now. From what I've gathered from around the web not many leagues are even trying it. I know none in our area are, not even the independents.
True Rich, yet, if you ask those same leagues board members who have kids playing, many will tell you they have their kid playing on a tournament team playing on 70' bases. At least in my area, the growth in travel teams playing 70' bases grows every year. We're seeing a continual increase in the amount of tournament teams for these kids grow every year. They are losing numbers, it's just a matter of time before they become converts.

Steven Tyler Thu Jan 19, 2012 01:59am
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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 814051)

I remember Mickey Mantle's roommate on the Yankees telling me how stupid it was that players slid in fingers first to a base, as he crushed many a digit playing second. But what did he know?
I don't think Billy Martin was ever Mickey's room mate. Just a big drinking buddy. Why they traded him to Kansas City.

On a side note, Martin was probably more approachable when he was drunk, than not. Hard to talk to somebody with a chronic hangover, and a sociopathic personality.

I played some adult ball with his son, Billy, Jr. for a couple of years. He dished a little of the dirt on dad a few times. Nothing to write home about.

I've also gotten some umpire musings of Billy from a few old AL umpires. Those storys are worse.

PeteBooth Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:54am
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Originally Posted by RPatrino (Post 814622)
Pony baseball has been around for a very long time, and Little League obviously doesn't see it as a threat to their program, or they would have changed their rules to allow a more 'realistic' baseball experience.
You nailed it, however, I would reword you sentence as follows.

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Pony baseball has been around for a very long time, and Little League obviously doesn't see it as a threat to their program, Substitute the word SHOW for program

LL has their "show" televisd on ESPN and ABC. Until the ratings are effected no changes will be made.

IMO, Ripken has a "shot" because of the name but LL still has a good contract with ESPN / ABC.

IMO, without the "show" LL would be real down in numbers and be forced to change to compete.

Pete Booth

rpumpire Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:22am
Well, Little League made a major change to their rules for the upcoming year that will be noticeable all the way up to the "show." They have adopted the uncaught third strike rule we see at every other level of baseball.

nopachunts Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:36am
LL Rule Change
 
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Originally Posted by rpumpire (Post 815135)
Well, Little League made a major change to their rules for the upcoming year that will be noticeable all the way up to the "show." They have adopted the uncaught third strike rule we see at every other level of baseball.
Can you post the link to the rule change?

radwaste50 Fri Jan 20, 2012 03:09pm
Bulletin: Significant Policy, Rule, and Regulation Changes for 2012

reginab Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:02am
Rule 7.08(a)(4), on top of page 83 (first paragraph), it states: "Any runner is out...(4) Tee Ball, Little League Majors and Minors only: the runner slides head first while advancing."

Appendix B (towards the back of the rule book), there is a bullet that states, "Except when runner is returning to a base, head first slides are not permitted. This applies only to Little League (Majors), Minor League and Tee Ball."

This is out of the 2012 rule book.

Regina Boyd
Washington D1 Umpire

Rita C Sat Jan 21, 2012 02:03pm
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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 814051)
Yikes!

I've been working at my local LL park for the last 17 years. Some rules are dopey, but most are based around an average kid playing the game.

The trouble is, of course, no parent thinks they have an average kid. Thus, the stupid rules about wearing helmets, throat protectors, no big barrel bats or metal cleats, no bowling over the catcher, etc.

I remember Mickey Mantle's roommate on the Yankees telling me how stupid it was that players slid in fingers first to a base, as he crushed many a digit playing second. But what did he know?

I know, it's not real baseball. But real baseball is played with wooded bats, 90 foot basepaths, with metal cleats, and full contact at the plate. Everything else is played with age, size and skill level taken into consideration.
Very well put.


Rita

kylejt Sun Jan 22, 2012 01:29pm
Thanks, Rita.

BTW, the roommate of Mickey's I was referring to is Jerry Coleman. He's still a radio announcer for the Padres, and still an opponent of the head first slide. His biggest complaint is that you can't get up quickly, and get to the next base when you're flat on your stomach. That, and he got to squash a lot of fingers playing F4 in the Bronx. To him, the risk was not worth the benefit, if there were any to begin with. And that's always been debatable.

johnnyg08 Sun Jan 22, 2012 07:55pm
I liked to slide head first because I would get raspberries on my a$$ so instead I took my scabs to my arms...I hardly never had an opportunity to advance after a head first slide, so me to not slide head first because I might not be able to get up and advance was not something I considered because the chances were very, very slim of a ball going through far enough in the first place. YMMV. I realize that this is a LL thread so it's more of a safety rule for the kids which is something I support.


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