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umpjim Thu Sep 15, 2011 06:06pm

Ball and Balk
 
Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | WSH@ATL: Umpire calls balk on Gorzelanny's movement - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

If I'm understanding this clip right the Ump tried to warn F1 about not wiping. When the warning wasn't taken receptively they balked the runners over and ball foured the BR to 1B.
The violation in itself looked like only a violation of 8.02(a)1 which is only penalized by a ball.
But the umps may have escalated the violation to that of applying a foreign substance to the ball and thus been able to penalize per 8.02(a)6(d) which allows a ball and a balk.
BUT,I thought we had previously concluded that the wording of this penalty did not really mean to apply both a ball and balk together.

Edited to add: Or maybe it was just ball four and the announcers and MLB.com thought it was a balk that moved the runners over instead of ball four.
I'll have to check the box score.

umpjong Thu Sep 15, 2011 09:41pm

Yes it was ball 4 you can see 3-1 count in sub screen. Other two runners advanced on being forced on the walk. No balk called..
Also a good call you can see him go to his mouth (1:26 mark) then straight to the ball while standing on the mound.

umpjim Thu Sep 15, 2011 09:43pm

Checked the box and only a ball was called. I think the confusion came from all the delay calling the ball and awarding 1B. BTW, who gets to call the automatic ball if a field ump calls the illegal pitch? I thought the umpire calling the violation would call the violation, time if no pitch was thrown, and then award the ball. That shouldn't have taken that much time in this sit.*

cookie Fri Sep 16, 2011 06:48pm

I though in addition to calling the failure to wipe a "ball"; therefore, Ball 4 in this case, the umpire would request a new ball to put into play. Or is this "over the top?"

SanDiegoSteve Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:40am

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Originally Posted by cookie (Post 788082)
I though in addition to calling the failure to wipe a "ball"; therefore, Ball 4 in this case, the umpire would request a new ball to put into play. Or is this "over the top?"

Not over the top. The umpire would likely just put a new ball in play to avoid the perception of a possible spitter. I'm sure if he didn't, the next batter would probably request one that's not "loaded up."

umpjim Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:44am

I think at the end of the clip you see the PU walk up to F1 and swap out the balls.

Steven Tyler Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:47pm

I used to see a college pitcher lick his fingers right after he delivered the pitch. The catcher threw the ball back and he grabbed the ball from the glove without wiping. I don't think he was loading one up. Just a habit that nobody ever noticed.


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