There seems to be a subtle difference in the amount of control needed to make a catch when making a base-tag force out and making a catch of a batted ball in flight. The Baseball Digest article also described a play where F7 made a long run to catch a fly just fair. His momentum carried him to the railing. When he braced himself the ball came out of his glove and fell into the stands. B/R was ruled safe and was awarded appropriate bases.

I know it bugs y'all to have sources like BD quoted, but I only used it to cite what a veteran MLB umpire had to say about it. That doesn't seem too terribly out of line.

As regards to flip tosses from the glove, sure, you see it all the time. Check out Todd Helton's 40 foot jai alai toss last night ( it went 3 feet over the leaping catcher's glove and cost an additional run. But these are usually on grounders. I don't recall ever seeing an infielder snare a line drive and then do a direct glove flip to a base. If the receiving fielder muffed it and the ball ended up on the ground, an OOO might have cause to rule "no catch" especially if the flip toss was way off the mark.

You need to go over to the basketball forum and post with chseagle, who is obviously your twin brother.

Radio, so shutting up is not an option. All my baseball color commentators have been coaches. Though most do a good job helping with rules and nuances of the game, I have had a couple that I wanted to correct on the air but chose not to. "Hands a part of the bat" and "ball hitting an umpire is immediately dead" are two that was said and I cringed.

I would LOVE to have an umpire with me for baseball and an official for football. I was sitting next to a clock operator during a few football games and asked them to correct me if I made a mistake in explaining a rule and they all politely declined. I understand why they decline, but I would rather be right than sound stupid on the air. There are enough of us who do that.

Thanks to you all for your responses, and for participating on these forums. I learn a lot here.

Of course he was. That's the correct ruling.

What's less clear is wtf your point is. (apologies for the poor grammar)

Same thing with rules references for OBR and FED if you are interested:

http://forum.officiating.com/basebal...1-edition.html

While the former is patently absurd and ridiculous, the latter is true of an umpire working in the B or C position (in the infield), but not when working in A (beyond first base behind F3). The reason for this is in A the ball is kept alive because it has passed an infielder other than the pitcher (i.e. F3). In B or C, the ball has not yet passed a fielder other than the pitcher, and is immediately dead when it hits an umpire. The batter is credited with a single and all runners forced to advance do so.

I don't want to speak for voiceoflg, but I've heard this line used even for thrown balls.

Also, while generally true, an umpire can be hit in B or C and it not be a dead ball.

Learn the difference between OBS and INT... and as mentioned earlier, learn what a foul tip really is and what it means when it happens.

I did some local D-1 college hoops work with two announcers. I sat with them at the press table and would write notes to them. Never went on air. I even got to know some of the refs; they were truly polite (and helpful) to me when they found out I was a ref and "rules fixer" for the broadcast team.