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Rich Tue Jun 21, 2011 01:13am
Quote:
Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 767133)
No. He should have come in hard with a "TIME!" call. Let the PU decide if the runner was out of the box or not.
I'vr never bought that canard. I can see the ball hit the batter, I know where the batter is. I'll call it foul, too.

Gulf Coast Blue Tue Jun 21, 2011 02:55am
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Originally Posted by treydawgmt (Post 767078)
I have a situation that I'm wondering if my partner and I handled correctly. 18+ league where the players player/manager swear they play "strictly OBR," but then have 10 guys bat, and allow courtesy runners, so maybe a few variations.

Batter hits a ball that I see hit off his foot and go up the 3rd base line a few feet. PU does not call a foul, catcher throws to 1B, BR called out. This whole time the batter keeps yelling it was off his foot. I guess my partner said, "I'm sorry, I didn't see it." The batter asks a few times to get help, my partner then asks me for help. I tell him it was off his foot, becomes a foul ball.

Now the defense is upset, claims the call can not be changed because the BR was already called out, no way to change that ruling.

Any thoughts, other than if the PU had called foul right away, life would have been easier!
If you clearly see it.....hesitate for a bit for your partner to call it.....if he does not......make the call yourself.

This is perfectly acceptable.

Joel

Gulf Coast Blue Tue Jun 21, 2011 02:58am
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 767100)
Even though you didn't get it right at first, you should still get it right. Tell the defense that "it was late, but we got it right."

I'm surprised that you would be doing that level with only 3 games experience.
My first games were in Jr. Teenage (Pony now I believe) and American Legion......:eek:

Sometimes you have to grow up fast.............;)

Joel

JJ Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:26am
I also cover this in pregame - I say "If you see it hit the batter kill it. If you don't I'll assume you didn't see it and I won't come to you for help. If the coach comes out and asks me to get help, I'll tell him I already did."

JJ

dash_riprock Wed Jul 06, 2011 07:39am
Wang - I hope you get a massive case of operable anal warts very soon, like today.

Best regards!

Yours truly

Dash

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Jul 06, 2011 08:19am
I think a better mechanic would be for the BU to yell: "DEAD!!" and then let the PU determine if it is a foul ball, a Batter hit by a pitch, or the ball hit the Batter while the batter was out of the Batter's Box and in either Fair of Foul Territory. Just my two cents.

MTD, Sr.

BretMan Wed Jul 06, 2011 01:39pm
Except if you call a "dead ball" in a baseball game they want to string you up by your thumbs.

Rich Wed Jul 06, 2011 01:44pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 770813)
I think a better mechanic would be for the BU to yell: "DEAD!!" and then let the PU determine if it is a foul ball, a Batter hit by a pitch, or the ball hit the Batter while the batter was out of the Batter's Box and in either Fair of Foul Territory. Just my two cents.

MTD, Sr.
Ugh. "Dead ball" is a softball mechanic.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Jul 06, 2011 01:52pm
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 770876)
Ugh. "Dead ball" is a softball mechanic.

A ball becomes Dead when a pitched ball or a batted ball makes contact with the Batter correct? And since the PU is in the best position to rule as to whether the ball is a Foul Ball or a Hit by Pitch, then the BU yelling "DEAD!" seems appropriate to me whether the game is baseball or fastpitch softball.

MTD, Sr.

Rich Wed Jul 06, 2011 01:56pm
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 770880)
A ball becomes Dead when a pitched ball or a batted ball makes contact with the Batter correct? And since the PU is in the best position to rule as to whether the ball is a Foul Ball or a Hit by Pitch, then the BU yelling "DEAD!" seems appropriate to me whether the game is baseball or fastpitch softball.

MTD, Sr.
It may seem appropriate to you, but it's not a correct baseball mechanic.

yawetag Wed Jul 06, 2011 02:07pm
2.00 TIME: “TIME” is the announcement by an umpire of a legal interruption of play, during which the ball is dead.

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jul 06, 2011 03:26pm
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 767298)
I'vr never bought that canard. I can see the ball hit the batter, I know where the batter is. I'll call it foul, too.
+1

After all, it was sharp and direct off his foot in the OP, and it is the correct mechanic to call "Foul" if you know your partner didn't see it. The "Time" mechanic is used when the ball bounces up and the batter is moving out of the box when he's hit. That's a different case altogether, and should not be confused with a simple ball off the foot.

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jul 06, 2011 05:25pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 770813)
I think a better mechanic would be for the BU to yell: "DEAD!!"
I picture the defensive players, the batter, the on-deck hitter, the PU, and the bench personnel from both teams falling prone on the ground, then getting up and laughing their asses off.:cool:


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