Texas - ASU game 3

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by umpjim

Box score shows Wilson out on BI with a (3-2 KBFBB) count. They show no BB for him.
http://http://www.texassports.com/sp....html#GAME.PLY

Not up to speed on scoring but perusing a better link to this game's scoring I see that any other player's BB had 4 B's in the player's at bat recap:

Arizona St. vs Texas - Baseball Division I - June 12, 2011 - NCAA.com

Wilson's at bat does not. Was he in limbo until ump said ball 4 and thus he was a batter and not a BR and thus called out for BI? Did the pitcher not walk him? What did they do with that pitch?

[txump81]

PU came up with BI by pointing towards the BR with his left hand and a fist on the right. He then realized it was ball 4 and seemed to reverse his call. Then Garriso came out to argue and the umpires got together and 4 had a brain freeze. F4 mishandled a mediocre throw to 1B. He took his eyes off the ball and was thinking about the tag. If I was ASU coach, I might have said the magic "P" word.

From what I saw, the BR didn't cross in front of F2 until F2's arm was back by his side. Don't see how that is INT.

[UmpTTS43]

Its good to know that none of you will ever miss a call like this. Learn from it,apply it to your game and get better.

[umpjim]

Has anybody officially said it was a missed call? The scorebook doesn't give Wison a BB. He gets BI after B3.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by UmpTTS43

Its good to know that none of you will ever miss a call like this. Learn from it,apply it to your game and get better.

Where do you get this impression? Who said as much? Who has said the umpire shouldn't be working that level? Can't plays get discussed here so others can learn as well?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by UmpTTS43

Its good to know that none of you will ever miss a call like this. Learn from it,apply it to your game and get better.

Condescend much?

[UmpTTS43]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Condescend much?

When I can.

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by UmpTTS43

Its good to know that none of you will ever miss a call like this. Learn from it,apply it to your game and get better.

That's not the point. This was a 3rd trimester abortion and totally inexcusable in a Super Regional game. We all have made mistakes, myself included, but to make one like this, which was totally avoidable, is unacceptable. The call itself was bad enough, but to have all 4 guys get together and sustain the bad call? Completely unacceptable.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by UMP25

That's not the point. This was a 3rd trimester abortion and totally inexcusable in a Super Regional game. We all have made mistakes, myself included, but to make one like this, which was totally avoidable, is unacceptable. The call itself was bad enough, but to have all 4 guys get together and sustain the bad call? Completely unacceptable.

The huddle wasn't going to change this. Taking that long to figure out what to do in the case of interference was a bit embarrassing. But once PU declares interference, the result was actually the correct result.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by UMP25

That's not the point. This was a 3rd trimester abortion and totally inexcusable in a Super Regional game. We all have made mistakes, myself included, but to make one like this, which was totally avoidable, is unacceptable. The call itself was bad enough, but to have all 4 guys get together and sustain the bad call? Completely unacceptable.

While I didn't see interference, I'm not quite sure what the other umpires could have done. Given that it was called, I think the correct ruling was made (BR out, R1 returns).

Maybe (and this is pure speculation, I admit), PU has the BR timing his movement across the plate to get in F2's way ==> intentional interference with a throw.

Until (and If) something comes out from NCAA, I don't know that we'll know what happened and whether it was just judgment, or a rule, or what.

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

The huddle wasn't going to change this. Taking that long to figure out what to do in the case of interference was a bit embarrassing. But once PU declares interference, the result was actually the correct result.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

While I didn't see interference, I'm not quite sure what the other umpires could have done. Given that it was called, I think the correct ruling was made (BR out, R1 returns).

Maybe (and this is pure speculation, I admit), PU has the BR timing his movement across the plate to get in F2's way ==> intentional interference with a throw.

Until (and If) something comes out from NCAA, I don't know that we'll know what happened and whether it was just judgment, or a rule, or what.

One cannot have batter interference on a catcher's throw to retire R1 when R1 cannot be retired due to the batter receiving a base on balls. I'm willing to bet the PU forgot that it was a walk and instead instinctively ruled a batter's interference here, which it wasn't. Because it wasn't, the little umpire crew confab should have reversed it and ruled that no interference actually occurred.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by UMP25

One cannot have batter interference on a catcher's throw to retire R1 when R1 cannot be retired due to the batter receiving a base on balls.

Rule site? (You are right that it's not "batter" interference ... it's just interference) You can absolutely have interference on exactly this play - and if you couldn't, coach could have protested - which he didn't do.

I'm willing to bet the PU forgot that it was a walk and instead instinctively ruled a batter's interference here, which it wasn't. Because it wasn't, the little umpire crew confab should have reversed it and ruled that no interference actually occurred.

Little umpire crew confabs are not designed to overturn judgement calls.

[tcarilli]

Originally Posted by UMP25

...This was a 3rd trimester abortion and totally inexcusable in a Super Regional game.

Seriously?

Originally Posted by UMP25

We all have made mistakes, myself included, but to make one like this, which was totally avoidable, is unacceptable.

What makes this call, in particular unacceptable. What kind of mistakes fall into the acceptable and unacceptable categories for you? Does it depend on the level, situation, etc.

Originally Posted by UMP25

The call itself was bad enough, but to have all 4 guys get together and sustain the bad call? Completely unacceptable.

So you are for having judgment calls overturned. Suppose you miss a strike and the other three guys think it was a ball and you called it a strike, is it unacceptable for them to sustain that call? Does it matter the situation. Is it possible that the discussion was to insure that they got the ruling correct on the placement of the runners?

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by tcarilli

Seriously?

That's putting it mildly.

[tcarilli]

Originally Posted by txump81

If I was ASU coach, I might have said the magic "P" word.

OK, you are Tim Esmay. I am Scott Cline. "Tim what exactly is it that you are protesting?" That is, tell us exactly which rule you think is being misapplied here. Remember you can not protest a judgment call.