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jdmara Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:48am
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 765773)
6.05j and 7.08e now read the same -- a runner is out if he is tagged *before* he touches the base. Since a tie is not "before", the runner is safe if there is a tie.

One of those said "a runner is out if he fails to touch the base before it is tagged." So, here, a tag meant an out.
Would you agree that FED still doesn't have the language aligned like MLB since 8-4-2j and 8-1-2Note seem to be in conflict with that?
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8-4-2j
The runner is out when he:...fails to reach the next base before a fielder either tags the runner out or holds the ball while touching such base, after runner has been forced from the base he occupied because the batter became a runner (with ball in play) when other runners were on first base, or on first and second, or on first, second and third. There shall be no accidental appeals on a force play.
-Josh

bob jenkins Wed Jun 15, 2011 01:36pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 765784)
Would you agree that FED still doesn't have the language aligned like MLB since 8-4-2j and 8-1-2Note seem to be in conflict with that?

-Josh
I think (a) the relevant rules are 8-4-1f and 8-4-2j; (b) they conflict; and (c) it doesn't matter.

jdmara Wed Jun 15, 2011 01:54pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 765815)
I think (a) the relevant rules are 8-4-1f and 8-4-2j; (b) they conflict; and (c) it doesn't matter.
So you go by the adage, "tie goes to the runner"?

-Josh

tcarilli Wed Jun 15, 2011 02:09pm
Tie goes to the umpire!

bob jenkins Wed Jun 15, 2011 02:16pm
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Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 765821)
So you go by the adage, "tie goes to the runner"?

-Josh
Yes. That's exactly what I meant. /sarcasm

BSUmp16 Wed Jun 15, 2011 03:28pm
My apologies - I wasn't intending to start the old "tie goes to the runner" discussion (+1 bob jenkins). My only point was that in an article that specifically refers to runners going to first base, the citation in the article to 7.01 was incorrect. The correct cite in that specific situation - B/R at 1st, is 6.05j

I agree that the article was one of the better written for non-umpire readers. However, in a forum designed for umpires, I thought a little more accuracy would be appreciated. In response I get "who gives a $hit" and "you're gloriously wrong".


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