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MIZFKU Mon May 09, 2011 01:04pm

Just some bad announcer comments to make fun of
 
Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | TOR@TB: Both managers, Upton ejected in game - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

I always enjoy some classic comments from announcers. The play at first is my favorite here. Apparently, Joe West had the best view of that tag. (According to the the men in the booth). And the home plate ump made that call from 90 feet away. (According to the men in the booth). The tag was on the home side. No way Joe could see it. Home plate ump should be drifting up the line. And he is a pro, so I have to assume he was there to see it. Looks like they got it right. "When in doubt, bange em out" right?

MrUmpire Mon May 09, 2011 01:18pm

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Originally Posted by MIZFKU (Post 757314)
Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | TOR@TB: Both managers, Upton ejected in game - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

I always enjoy some classic comments from announcers. The play at first is my favorite here. Apparently, Joe West had the best view of that tag. (According to the the men in the booth). And the home plate ump made that call from 90 feet away. (According to the men in the booth). The tag was on the home side. No way Joe could see it. Home plate ump should be drifting up the line. And he is a pro, so I have to assume he was there to see it. Looks like they got it right. "When in doubt, bange em out" right?

Looks like Joe had it right at first, and after their conference, the umpires changed to the wrong call.

B/R clearly had the bag before, (and if) he was tagged on the back.

Gotta love the new warm and fuzzy umpiring.

Rich Mon May 09, 2011 01:41pm

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Originally Posted by MIZFKU (Post 757314)
Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | TOR@TB: Both managers, Upton ejected in game - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

I always enjoy some classic comments from announcers. The play at first is my favorite here. Apparently, Joe West had the best view of that tag. (According to the the men in the booth). And the home plate ump made that call from 90 feet away. (According to the men in the booth). The tag was on the home side. No way Joe could see it. Home plate ump should be drifting up the line. And he is a pro, so I have to assume he was there to see it. Looks like they got it right. "When in doubt, bange em out" right?

Joe could've seen this tag, provided he:

(1) Read the bad throw
(2) Took a few quick steps
(3) Leaned and got a look at the tag

Look at the replay again. This time focus on how little Joe does during the play. Sad, really.

It's not the plate umpire's job to bail out base umpires on these plays. On top of that, there was an R2 at the start of the play. If he rounds third and keeps heading towards home, who's making the call at the plate?

GA Umpire Mon May 09, 2011 01:46pm

I think they missed it on the changed call at 1B. But, I like Martinez's beard. I am jealous b/c I can't come close to something like that.

kylejt Mon May 09, 2011 01:54pm

Joe is a human fire hydrant out there. He's needed to retire for some time now.

Ump Rube Mon May 09, 2011 04:11pm

Mask
 
After watching the clip (or maybe clips) the shot of Fairchild ringing up Upton and the ensuing s#*t-storm that followed.

Why would you take off your mask at that point. I was taught not to remove the mask if someone is on you like that. Makes them think twice about taking a swing at you, and BJ definitely looked like he wanted to take a swing.

Thoughts?

MD Longhorn Mon May 09, 2011 04:41pm

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Originally Posted by Ump Rube (Post 757364)
After watching the clip (or maybe clips) the shot of Fairchild ringing up Upton and the ensuing s#*t-storm that followed.

Why would you take off your mask at that point. I was taught not to remove the mask if someone is on you like that. Makes them think twice about taking a swing at you, and BJ definitely looked like he wanted to take a swing.

Thoughts?

Have you EVER, ever, ever, ever seen an umpire punched at that level?

Mask on a good idea at OUR level.

David B Mon May 09, 2011 06:12pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 757329)
Joe could've seen this tag, provided he:

(1) Read the bad throw
(2) Took a few quick steps
(3) Leaned and got a look at the tag

Look at the replay again. This time focus on how little Joe does during the play. Sad, really.

It's not the plate umpire's job to bail out base umpires on these plays. On top of that, there was an R2 at the start of the play. If he rounds third and keeps heading towards home, who's making the call at the plate?

That's really sad, West really needs to think about giving it up, but he won't until he's forced out.

That's a perfect example of lazy umpiring. Perhaps he had the call right to start with, but then he asked and changed it??

Don't see how PU could say that he was certain he saw the tag. You would think that West would say if you are not for sure, let's leave it as it is, but it looked like he was caught flat footed.

And MLB wonders why more and more the umpires are being scrutinized.

Thanks
David

DG Mon May 09, 2011 08:41pm

West is crew chief. I feel sure he processed info provided to him and based on that made the call change. Can't see changing with one this close and feedback coming from 90 feet away on a tag but that is what was done.

Rich Mon May 09, 2011 09:22pm

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Originally Posted by David B (Post 757381)
That's really sad, West really needs to think about giving it up, but he won't until he's forced out.

That's a perfect example of lazy umpiring. Perhaps he had the call right to start with, but then he asked and changed it??

Don't see how PU could say that he was certain he saw the tag. You would think that West would say if you are not for sure, let's leave it as it is, but it looked like he was caught flat footed.

And MLB wonders why more and more the umpires are being scrutinized.

Thanks
David

Clearly, the BR touched first before the tag. Another thing West would've seen had he bothered to read the throw and move.

Raymond Tue May 10, 2011 08:34am

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Originally Posted by Ump Rube (Post 757364)
After watching the clip (or maybe clips) the shot of Fairchild ringing up Upton and the ensuing s#*t-storm that followed.

Why would you take off your mask at that point. I was taught not to remove the mask if someone is on you like that. Makes them think twice about taking a swing at you, and BJ definitely looked like he wanted to take a swing.

Thoughts?

Upton is the son of a D-1 NCAA basketball official. He may have looked like he wanted to take a swing, but there is zero chance he would.

jdmara Tue May 10, 2011 08:43am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 757533)
Upton is the son of a D-1 NCAA basketball official. He may have looked like he wanted to take a swing, but there is zero chance he would.

In the heat of the moment it doesn't matter who you're a son of (whether it be a D1 basketball official, the English Royal family, or a minister). People do wild things when they are displeased.

-Josh

Raymond Tue May 10, 2011 08:49am

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Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 757543)
In the heat of the moment it doesn't matter who you're a son of (whether it be a D1 basketball official, the English Royal family, or a minister). People do wild things when they are displeased.

-Josh

So, if you were/are still playing sports, are you apt to slug a ref or umpire if you get heated enough?

I would think your background and/or training would at some point click in before you crossed that line. I think that is true with most people. And as someone else pointed out, how many times had that happened at that level?

TwoBits Tue May 10, 2011 10:35am

Why did West feel the need to put his hands on the batter after his EJ? It looks to me as the coaches had him under enough control as to avoid a physical problem.

GA Umpire Tue May 10, 2011 12:06pm

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Originally Posted by TwoBits (Post 757579)
Why did West feel the need to put his hands on the batter after his EJ? It looks to me as the coaches had him under enough control as to avoid a physical problem.

I guess the same reason he felt like looking like a bird about to take off at 1B. He doesn't care how bad he looks or messes things up, at least that is the appearance he is giving. As long as he stays on TV one way or another, he is happy. But, BJ was pretty upset and I think he felt it was necessary to be on the safe side of things.

But, putting your hands on a player can only spell disaster just like the PU who had to toss Jim Leyland for touching one of his players. Totally different situation but could have had the same reaction probably for anyone other than Joe West since he is the head of the WUA.

yawetag Tue May 10, 2011 01:13pm

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 757367)
Have you EVER, ever, ever, ever seen an umpire punched at that level?

YouTube - Jose Offerman Banned After Punching Umpire

It's not MLB, but it's adults in a professional league.

zm1283 Tue May 10, 2011 02:36pm

Larry Bowa is an absolute rat. He is on MLB Network right now talking about the West ejection of Gardenhire and DiMuro ejection of Mattingly last night. He says that Gardenhire should get a lot of leeway because he has been around a long time and has had good teams. Says that you're not supposed to argue balls and strikes, but West shouldn't have ejected him. Also defended Francona when Angel Hernandez dumped him the other night after the balk. Criticized West for putting his hands on Francona and said that his beef wasn't with West, but West "prevented Francona from finding out what the balk was about". (Too bad he'd already been dumped and West was playing rodeo clown)

His defense of the Mattingly ejection was even worse. He claims that Mattingly and Uribe handled it good, then goes on to trash DiMuro. He says the ball was trapped, even though it looks like it hit F7's webbing in his glove. Bowa goes on to say that Mattingly "Obviously had a better viewpoint from the bench". The worse part is Bowa lying about DiMuro saying that DiMuro told Mattingly that he wasn't sure about the call. Of course then we get the "All he had to do was go ask another umpire and no one would be ejected". (Except for the Pirates manager if the call was reversed. Not to mention there was a runner on first and you would be changing a catch to a no-catch) Also said that DiMuro should have went to ask for help "Out of respect". He is a piece of crap.

MrUmpire Tue May 10, 2011 02:50pm

As I recall, Bowa was the first, and maybe the only MLB coach to be ejected for refusing to wear a helmet in the coach's box, even after being warned. His statement was along the line of, "They can fine me every day, I'm never wearing an effing helmet."

Welpe Tue May 10, 2011 03:15pm

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Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 757654)
As I recall, Bowa was the first, and maybe the only MLB coach to be ejected for refusing to wear a helmet in the coach's box, even after being warned. His statement was along the line of, "They can fine me every day, I'm never wearing an effing helmet."

And we all know how well that went...

http://www.ladodgertalk.com/wp-conte...bowa-torre.jpg

jkumpire Wed May 11, 2011 07:16am

That video of Joe West is the classic video for the importance of "owning your own call." The second he goes to the PU for help there's nothing but trouble coming.

MikeStrybel Wed May 11, 2011 07:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 757627)
YouTube - Jose Offerman Banned After Punching Umpire

It's not MLB, but it's adults in a professional league.

I still think that the umpire in Offerman's video did a pretty bad job of acting like he was punched. It doesn't negate Offie looking like a thug though.

Ever seen a baseball game in the Third World? Crazy stuff happens almost every night. Those umpires earn their pay.

jwwashburn Mon May 16, 2011 12:25pm

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Originally Posted by David B (Post 757381)
That's really sad, West really needs to think about giving it up, but he won't until he's forced out.

That's a perfect example of lazy umpiring. Perhaps he had the call right to start with, but then he asked and changed it??

Don't see how PU could say that he was certain he saw the tag. You would think that West would say if you are not for sure, let's leave it as it is, but it looked like he was caught flat footed.

And MLB wonders why more and more the umpires are being scrutinized.

Thanks
David

I saw Joe miss a similar call very badly last year because of the same laziness. I think maybe he changed his mind because he figures he misses stuff so often? Or, he changed his mind because he knew he did not get where he needed to be?

Upton drank some Milton Bradley juice....What the heck is with that guy? You usually do not see a batter go that crazy when the PU is that calm.


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