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LeeBallanfant Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:25pm

Catch Made-Glove Becomes Detached
 
ML Rules

In 4-29- LAA@TB game, Felipe Lopez lined a ball to left center and LAA CF Peter Bourjos made a diving catch. After hitting the ground, his glove came off with the ball in it.

He picked up glove and took ball out and threw back to IF and out was recorded.

This ok?

UmpJM Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:31pm

Lee,

No, that ain't a catch.

The glove coming off does not meet the "voluntary release" clause.

JM

TussAgee11 Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:47pm

I agree this does not meet voluntary release requirements, it is not a catch when a fielder falls down and loses possession of the ball (2.00). While there is no wording that requires the ball to contact the ground I think there is enough implication to neccessitate his continued posession - 2.00 CATCH says it is not a catch if he drops the ball following a collision or fall. I'd say, losing the glove, even if the ball stays in it, is a drop of the ball.

There may be a J/R case play out there someone could reference...

yawetag Sat Apr 30, 2011 01:34am

Jaksa/Roder:

A line drive at the pitcher is gloved airborne, but the glove/ball combination is ripped off the pitcher's hand and drops to the ground, the ball still in the glove: no catch. A glove not attached to the hand of the fielder is equivalent to the ground.

cookie Sat Apr 30, 2011 05:38am

In 4-29- LAA@TB game, Felipe Lopez lined a ball to left center and LAA CF Peter Bourjos made a diving catch. After hitting the ground, his glove came off with the ball in it.

He picked up glove and took ball out and threw back to IF and out was recorded.



"Jaksa/Roder:

A line drive at the pitcher is gloved airborne, but the glove/ball combination is ripped off the pitcher's hand and drops to the ground, the ball still in the glove: no catch. A glove not attached to the hand of the fielder is equivalent to the ground."



So the MLB umpires got it wrong?

yawetag Sat Apr 30, 2011 05:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by cookie (Post 754598)
So the MLB umpires got it wrong?

Without seeing the replay and going only on what Lee posted, I would say they missed it.

rbmartin Sat Apr 30, 2011 06:33am

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | LAA@TB: Bourjos dives to take a hit from Lopez - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

In viewing this play, I do think there was a voluntary release and therefore, they got it right IMO.

cookie Sat Apr 30, 2011 07:14am

Quote:

Originally Posted by rbmartin (Post 754604)
Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | LAA@TB: Bourjos dives to take a hit from Lopez - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

In viewing this play, I do think there was a voluntary release and therefore, they got it right IMO.


Thanks for posting the replay. Yes, I would go with the MLB umpire's call...

txump81 Sat Apr 30, 2011 07:33am

Not what I envisioned from the OP...Great Catch. OUT!!! Good call.

yawetag Sat Apr 30, 2011 08:35am

After seeing the play, I definitely would call this an out.

jicecone Sat Apr 30, 2011 09:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant (Post 754556)
ML Rules

In 4-29- LAA@TB game, Felipe Lopez lined a ball to left center and LAA CF Peter Bourjos made a diving catch. After hitting the ground, his glove came off with the ball in it.

He picked up glove and took ball out and threw back to IF and out was recorded.

This ok?

You left out a word.

"After hitting the ground, his glove ALMOST came off with the ball in it."

DG Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:10am

Looks like he reached into his glove with right hand and secured the ball and while withdrawing the ball the glove came off.

Catch.

celebur Sat Apr 30, 2011 02:40pm

Clearly, the fielder took his hand out of the glove after making the catch. Good call.

MrUmpire Sat Apr 30, 2011 08:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant (Post 754556)
ML Rules

After hitting the ground, his glove came off with the ball in it.

He picked up glove and took ball out and threw back to IF and out was recorded.

This ok?

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jophyal Mon May 02, 2011 09:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 754737)

Could not make out that post... can you print with larger font??


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