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MikeStrybel Thu Apr 28, 2011 09:56am
I took the play from an MLB link someone had passed along a while ago. If you have an issue with what they wrote, take it up with them, please.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n15971195/

mbyron Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:00am
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Originally Posted by Robert E. Harrison (Post 754066)
As F1 is stepping off the rubber (Pivot foot is no longer in contact with the rubber but has not touched the ground) the ball pops out, then the pivot foot hits the ground and then the ball hits the ground (does not cross Foul line)
Is this a balk or as long as his pivot foot hits the ground before the ball everything is OK?
I saw this happen on a bluff and runner on first. Fed rules.
By rule, his pivot foot should touch the ground before his hands separate, or else it's a balk (starting and stopping).

If the pitcher has legally disengaged, then he can legally throw the ball (or drop it or kick it -- they all count as a "throw") anywhere in live ball territory.

Altor Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:55am
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Originally Posted by MikeStrybel (Post 754073)
I took the play from an MLB link someone had passed along a while ago. If you have an issue with what they wrote, take it up with them, please.
Baseball rules corner: in certain cases, base runners can receive "assistance" | Baseball Digest | Find Articles at BNET
The article got it right. If the BR passes R1 after rounding 2nd, BR is out and only gets credit for a double.

yawetag Thu Apr 28, 2011 06:35pm
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Originally Posted by MikeStrybel (Post 754073)
I took the play from an MLB link someone had passed along a while ago. If you have an issue with what they wrote, take it up with them, please.
Baseball rules corner: in certain cases, base runners can receive "assistance" | Baseball Digest | Find Articles at BNET
Then learn to copy/paste or type better. Your post:

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeStrybel (Post 754061)
Graffanino stayed 10 feet or so behind Kapler knowing that if he passed him the home run would not count, R1 would be out and Graffanino would have to stay on second.
The link you gave:

Quote:
Graffanino properly remained about 10-feet away from his fallen teammate. He knew that if he passed him, he would have been called out and credited only with a double.

SethPDX Thu Apr 28, 2011 06:46pm
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Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 754219)
Then learn to copy/paste or type better.
Valuable lesson here for some people about passing off someone else's writing as your own.

LittleLeagueBob Thu Apr 28, 2011 08:36pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 753812)
So, in NAIA, if PU points the batter to first, and F1 then, immediately, drops the ball (or feints without stepping, for example), would it also be a balk? Would BR get second?
Bob -

Never had it happen - but I have to admit, never really thought about it as I wave 'em on down! Probably just not "see" it...

I see that Carl is recommending that we kill it - I could have sworn he said it was live in an earlier version, but I give those away when I get my updated copy.

As usual - good stuff to think about...thanks!

soundedlikeastrike Thu Apr 28, 2011 09:15pm
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Originally Posted by Robert E. Harrison (Post 754066)
As F1 is stepping off the rubber (Pivot foot is no longer in contact with the rubber but has not touched the ground) the ball pops out, then the pivot foot hits the ground and then the ball hits the ground (does not cross Foul line)
Is this a balk or as long as his pivot foot hits the ground before the ball everything is OK?
I saw this happen on a bluff and runner on first. Fed rules.
Regardless of where this dropped ball goes it's live and in play, whether his foot has hit the ground or not, he's gotta "step back off the rubber," Not step back off the rubber and contact the ground, any arm actions while he's making that step are fine and he' s off the rubber.

MrUmpire Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:37pm
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Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 754219)
then learn to copy/paste or type better.
+1

yawetag Fri Apr 29, 2011 05:42am
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Originally Posted by SethPDX (Post 754222)
Valuable lesson here for some people about passing off someone else's writing as your own.
Probably the most-valuable is to cite your source originally, not when you're called out for making a mistake.

MikeStrybel Fri Apr 29, 2011 08:02am
Quote:
Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 754219)
Then learn to copy/paste or type better.
Thanks, next time I will post a link so you aren't so confused by the facts of the story.


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