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JFlores Fri Mar 04, 2011 07:57pm

Pitcher Warming - HS Varsity Fed Rules
 
Probably elementary but when the bullpen is in dead ball territory, pitcher is warming up, the protector (player standing behind pitcher or catcher as their back is to playing field) must wear a helmet correct??

Simply The Best Fri Mar 04, 2011 08:07pm

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Originally Posted by JFlores (Post 736691)
Probably elementary but when the bullpen is in dead ball territory, pitcher is warming up, the protector (player standing behind pitcher or catcher as their back is to playing field) must wear a helmet correct??

Sorta. :D Often this safety precaution is ignored or unseen. Regardless, put a helmet on him and a glove isn't a bad idea either.

DG Fri Mar 04, 2011 09:03pm

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Originally Posted by JFlores (Post 736691)
Probably elementary but when the bullpen is in dead ball territory, pitcher is warming up, the protector (player standing behind pitcher or catcher as their back is to playing field) must wear a helmet correct??

Depends. Is the dead ball territory outside the fences? If so no protector needed. If inside but in a dead ball territory then I think a protector is needed. He need not wear a helmet.

JFlores Fri Mar 04, 2011 09:55pm

Well reason being tonight coach says rules say helmet not required at the varsity level. I had the kid get a helmet and glove of course.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:04pm

NFHS Rules: Non-adult (if the player is 18, he is still going to wear a batting helmet) in your situation MUST wear a batting helmet no matter what level.

MTD, Sr.

MrUmpire Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:19pm

Mark has it. A player or other non-adult must wear a helmet.

Simply The Best Sat Mar 05, 2011 01:21am

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Originally Posted by JFlores (Post 736702)
Well reason being tonight coach says rules say helmet not required at the varsity level. I had the kid get a helmet and glove of course.

The sad thing about this rule is that there is one. Having the rule means that coaches aren't thinking about the safety of their bullpen players, or they are disregarding their safety, or they are too stump dumb to see the obvious safety issues. Or a combination of any of the three.

So we get dumped on to do what should be an obvious coaching responsibility.

Which moves a chunk of the liability for any mishap to the shoulders of the umpires officiating the game.

Fair enough since our huge bump in pay meets the risk-reward test. :rolleyes:

rcaverly Sat Mar 05, 2011 07:50am

The kid is required to have a glove, not a helmet, when protecting those warming up in a bull pen that is in live ball territory. See NFHS 3-3-4.

bob jenkins Sat Mar 05, 2011 08:30am

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Originally Posted by rcaverly (Post 736760)
The kid is required to have a glove, not a helmet, when protecting those warming up in a bull pen that is in live ball territory. See NFHS 3-3-4.

Some states (here, for example) also require a helmet.

Rich Sat Mar 05, 2011 08:39am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 736711)
NFHS Rules: Non-adult (if the player is 18, he is still going to wear a batting helmet) in your situation MUST wear a batting helmet no matter what level.

MTD, Sr.

Mark:

Quote the rule. Like Bob said, this may be a state association change where you live, but the *NFHS RULES* only require a glove. The protector is supposed to be facing the plate and we don't require fielders to wear helmets, after all.

We don't require the warming up pitcher to put a helmet on, do we? I'd argue that the warming up pitcher is in just as much danger, if not more, than a person standing there with a glove whose only job is to protect the catcher/pitcher from a batted ball.

Rich Sat Mar 05, 2011 08:42am

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Originally Posted by Simply The Best (Post 736693)
Sorta. :D Often this safety precaution is ignored or unseen. Regardless, put a helmet on him and a glove isn't a bad idea either.

Do you actually know the rule? Or do you make sh!t up as you go?

rcaverly Sat Mar 05, 2011 09:24am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 736761)
Some states (here, for example) also require a helmet.

Very true. Many states, regions, districts, sections, locales, and leagues use different rules, and even rule books, for that matter. I was simply attempting to draw the attention of a fellow Ohioan to the rule that we use. I should have qualified my remarks with the abbreviation, YMMV.

Just between you and me, Bob, I've heard that in California's San Francisco Section, the kid protecting the bull pen also has to wear a high-visibility vest that has been recently tested and proven lead- and phthalate ester-free. It's probably one more thing their umpires have to check prior to a game there. Perhaps our newest member from the CIF, fionablue08, can enlighten us all.

pastordoug Sat Mar 05, 2011 01:17pm

This is another one of those "myths." A helmet is not required by FED rules, however many local/state associations add it as a safety precaution.

Simply The Best Sat Mar 05, 2011 06:32pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 736764)
Do you actually know the rule?

Quite well.
Quote:

Or do you make sh!t up as you go?
No.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Mar 05, 2011 09:52pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 736763)
Mark:

Quote the rule. Like Bob said, this may be a state association change where you live, but the *NFHS RULES* only require a glove. The protector is supposed to be facing the plate and we don't require fielders to wear helmets, after all.

We don't require the warming up pitcher to put a helmet on, do we? I'd argue that the warming up pitcher is in just as much danger, if not more, than a person standing there with a glove whose only job is to protect the catcher/pitcher from a batted ball.


RichMSN:

NFHS R1-S5-A1: It is mandatory for on-deck batters, batters, runners, retired runners, players/students in the coaches boxes as well as non-adult bat/ball shaggers to wear a batting helmet that meets the NOCSAE Standard.

MTD, Sr.


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