4 Balks in 1 at bat
 

Tonite, game 2 WS, intentional walk to I can't remember who and DVR messed up. Catcher is well outside before release of pitch. Anyway, it wasn't called and it shouldn't be called.
Point being; Don't be looking for that nitpick.

Just out of curiousity - Can you give me a list of other rules that should be ignored. I need to know so that no one can say I'm "nitpicking" by enforcing the rules.

It's the 234 (or whatever) "rules in error" in JEA.

iirc, this particular rule (a) was written when the catcher's box was formed by the foul lines extended, so was much bigger than it is today, (b) is read as "in the catcher's box when F1 commits to pitch"

Who cares about the release of the ball? This has *always* been interpreted as "when the pitcher commits to pitch" which is well before the release of the ball.

F1 is wearing a 2 tone glove(OBR). Are you going to call time and make him change it? There are several technicallity's most of us ignore. Of course if the other team complains, you have to do something.
"Don't look for trouble"

You mean like forcing a runner to retouch a base after a foul ball? It's in the rules, but it's not something anyone enforces as long as the runner returns to the vicinity of the base.

Very appropriate moniker.

Following a HR, don't give F1 a new ball until the BR touches home plate. Does anybody follow this. I give him a ball, so he can rub it, get on the hill and get ready to pitch to the next batter.

You have to actually touch 2nd base when turning a double play;) That one is usually ignored.

Not in my games.

OK - I appreciate the responses and perhaps my initial post was a little too officious. :o However, the BS in my "moniker" are my first and last name initials. My Irish mother is very fond of that name (and initials). So although I think its just silly when you make comments like this, she may feel different:)

If she read your post, she probably would.

I do. Learned from experience in a bad-blood game.

It's much easier to toss a pitcher for throwing at the next batter instead of tossing a pitcher and the batter-runner who got pegged rounding second, while dealing with the ****storm of whether a runner would be allowed to take his place to complete his run around the bases.

You have actually seen this happen? What league/age/country?

Rule?

Rule?

I told her what you said. She told me "Tell the nice wee gentleman 'Póg mo thóin!'" :o

Originally Posted by JR12
Following a HR, don't give F1 a new ball until the BR touches home plate. Does anybody follow this. I give him a ball, so he can rub it, get on the hill and get ready to pitch to the next batter.

Rule?

3.01(e) comment: which means it's an MLB caseplay.

Why I looked this up don't know. But, I thought like you, that it was just some instruction in the PBUC or MLBUM. I knew I had read it and registered it as a nice to know but not critical to enforce rule? instruction? caseplay?, , I had some free time and found it. Anyway, I found it and depending on what venue you call in it might or might not be a good idea.

Must be the language barrier. She apparently didn't realize how you came across to the others here. That's okay. No offense was intended in her direction. If she didn't understand that, Tá brón orm.

It depends on the game situation. Often I will. If I sense flaring tempers, I won't. This is a game management issue, not a mechanics issue. YMMV.

From my mother and I: Tá maithiúnas tugtha ar fad. :)

College-age summer league.

Your Irish might be top notch, but you need to review English pronoun usage. :rolleyes:

In the PBUC book it says to not throw it back...for pace of play, I'll give the pitcher the ball...if he's dumb enough to throw it at a player, he's getting ejected and probably suspended. I've seen the umpires throw the ball back to the pitcher at all levels.

To continue our Gaelic theme: Touche :o

Don't pay any attention to those two. They're two of the cyber bullies that frequent this forum.

I picture them both being about 5' 2" in their stocking feet, weigh about 120 lbs, the upper body of a newborn and have Coke bottle glasses.

It's just a trigger I use to get through the tedium of their posts....:rolleyes:

P. S.-Feel free to check for spelling and/or grammatical errors.

P. S. S.-You forgot to put the little thinga-ma-jiggy in touché.

It's P.P.S. :D

Touché (again)! :D

P.S. Can't believe you're taking time off from the band to post. Loved your version of "Angel" Happy Holloween

Like a person in orthopedic shoes, I stand corrected........:)

Then I applaud you sir.

OK - Halloween is over - back to baseball.

The "In the Neighborhood" play at second has come under more scrutiny lately. Here is one commentator's take:

The "neighborhood play" is an unwritten rule, which is a bit awkward in a game that has an official rulebook for umpires to follow. Would it be so difficult to create a written rule, with guidelines, for what fielders may or may not do to record an out at 2B while attempting to turn a DP? There are rules for touching a live ball with a catcher's mask, for batting out of order, and for a baseball literally coming apart while in play, but no rule for the everyday occurrence of the "neighborhood play."

So an umpire is asked to interpret the details of a rule that doesn't actually exist. Hard to get that one right.

I tend to agree. You start deviating from the written rules of the game and you're asking for trouble. Having said that - i never make a baserunner retouch his base after a foul ball. There is a line between over-officiating and simply ignoring the written rules, my earlier post was just trying to get some clarification as to where that line is.

There is no "That Line". There are many lines. Umpires through their experience, background, and knowledge and understanding of the game, have their own line. Those who draw it most apporpriately move up and are successful. Those who don't, don't.

It's similar to Louis Armstrong's famous response to the question of "What is jazz?"

"If ya have ta ask, you'll never know."

Draw your line. As you progress you will move it one way and then the other. It'll curve to include somethings but not others. Watch, work, listen and learn and your line will be right where it's supposed to be.

I'm not sure that in this context comparing baseball (which has a detailed written rulebook, a lot of written caseplays, written interpretations, extensive written manuals and spectators, players and coaches always checking to see if you made the "right" call) to Jazz (where the better you make stuff up "on-the-fly" (i.e., improvise) the better you are) is entirely the right analogy. I get what you're saying, but am a little leery of taking it too far. No one wants to be "officious". Everyone should want to be "official"

If you take it too far, then you don't get what I'm saying.

As you progress you'll see that the lines become increasingly similar.

What are you?

I picture you as a tough-writin' Texan (congratulations, by the way), with all kinds of courage ... for writing critical comments on a message forum. Face-to-face, the courage melts away.

Little people like you, making fun of imagining that others are even littler, well, you are a lot of fun.

You don't know Steven Tyler?

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You cannot turn a DP without touching the base (or the runner). Now if the throw is right to F4 (or whomever is covering), and he pulls off just as he receives the throw, he's getting the benefit of the doubt. But an out without touching the base at all (aka the neighborhood play) - no way. Safe - off the bag.

Well, since you asked
 

Calm down, Charlie Sheen. Nobody took your watch.

I going to be upfront and honest with you. I played in what is now known as Division I (FCS) football at TCU in the old Southwest Conference. I was a starting defensive back my last three years, primarily as a strong safety. I was talked into to going there by a chap named Bob Lilly. Mr. Lilly had played there in the late 50s with the older brother of my best friend in school and today, which is where I had become acquainted with Mr. Lilly in my formative years.

I went head to head against Heisman Trophy winner, Earl Campbell for three years, and I pretty much held my own against the roughest, toughest son of gun I have ever encountered on the gridiron, or anywhere else for that matter.

As a point of fact, I do sit tall in the saddle (Have you even be around a horse?). Therefore, I'm not quite the little person you envision. I now play softball on a team that won the AAA 50 and over National title, where I hit fifth in the lineup and play SS and 3B. I can take it over a 300 ft. fence on occasion.

I've only been in one fisticuff altercation, expert with my older brothers who matriculated to SMU and Texas on football scholarships and they really didn't swing back. It occurred several years ago when my girlfriend (and late wife) and I had gone out dancing for the evening. A guy that was extremely inebriated thought it perfectly alright to walk by and grab her on the butt. After about three failed polite attempts to try and get him to cease such activities, he became belligerent, swung and hit me in the face. Needless to say, I became very agitated, swung and hit him in the mouth. After the fracas was over, I was the one that had to go to the hospital. However, it was only to get one of his front teeth removed from my hand that was embedded in it. Where the other chap went, I don't know.

I don't know if you have been paying close attention, but I have never replied to any poster that knows how to be civil in any critical fashion. I've only done that to the ones that answer in the same critical manner to others, myself included. I'm always amazed that these same posters want to play the part of a martyr when the situation backfires in their face. They have mastered the art of pushing, they just don't understand the concept of pushing back.

Anyway, enough about myself. I very much don't like bragging about my past accomplishments, because there are many others that in the past that have achieved as much, and in most cases more than I. In fact, there are many other individuals that will also do so in the future. Besides, I don't have much of an affinity for blowhards, and I don't wish to become one myself.

In closing, Kevin have a great day and may the upcoming holiday season be special for you and your family. Like Jim Rome says, "I'm outta here".

It would nice, if on occasion, someone would post a picture of myself and my Toxic Twin, Joe Perry....;)

Just for you, Paul. Nobody knows but Joe Pe-ree.:)

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If only those two statements were true.

Refresh me. Did you say you were in the mental health profession or that you had mental health problems? I'm guessing the latter.....:confused:

Got to that part and quit reading.

Sorry - Too big of a word for you, my bad. Translation: "Commentator" = "Writer" (like everyone else on this forum).

Wat he meant was "Commentators are clueless so I'm not reading his meaningless comments".

Make that poster instead of writer. On most forums, it is quite common to see such things as: "He should of went home." That's not writing.

You will find that the vast majority of the posters on this forum are quite intelligent, and that insulting that intelligence is very rude on your part. You are new here. You remind me of me when I was new here. Just because I had 20 years umpiring experience I thought I knew it all and nobody could tell me anything new. I soon found out that the people here were much smarter than I had given them credit for originally.

Not at any significant level of ball... generally, if the player is straddling the base, they'll get credit for the touch even if they aren't touching it.

I'm not sure whether MLB is a significant level, but I saw exactly this play ruled "safe" this past season. The fielder didn't move his feet, one on each side of 2B, and threw to 1B. U2 signaled safe.

I disagree. They don't get that in the major leagues.

I'd love to see this video.

I think it might have happened last year in the playoffs. The call went against the Angels I believe.

If the fielder is straddling the base, without at least making it appear he touched the base, he is not getting that call. With a good throw, the fielder must make it appear that contact with the base occured.

I see maybe one neighborhood a season in MLB and the announcers are usually all over it.

Replay killed the neighborhood play - as well it should.

I remember that.

It was Yanks/Angels last year, 10th inning. Jerry Layne was U2. Aybar never came close to the bag. Great call.

Yep, that's the one.

Mike, here's the video:
Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | ALCS Gm 2: TV, radio calls on Halos' near double play - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

Man, you are a vastly more fun little person than I imagined.

Thanks.

Hall-of-Fame-bound Rod Carew got his knee torn in half getting taken out on a pivot, and the neighborhood was born. If it's in the rhythm of the play, it's cool. But when the fielder A) never touches the bag in the first place; B) is pulled away by the throw; or C) straddles the bag like Aybar, I never give the neighborhood. That was a great call by Layne.

The neighborhood was born LONG before that.

Correct. I can't pinpoint the date, but I do know that umpires were giving the neighborhood play at the ML level when I first started attending ML games in 1963...some four years before Carew made it to the majors.

And it was a very large neighborhood indeed, more like the entire zip code.:cool:

Rewrite: Hall-of-Fame-bound Rod Carew got his knee torn in half getting taken out on a pivot, and the neighborhood was more uniformly accepted as a result.

Zip codes were introduced in 1963. We hadn't yet hung that label on the neighborhood play. I remember my dad referring to "Zones". (God, I'm getting old.)