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Originally Posted by RadioBlue (Post 695156)

No. I posted the case from the casebook ... not a rule from the rules book. :rolleyes:

The Case Book is effectively part of the Rules Book.

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Originally Posted by Gaff (Post 695153)

Even though I was right and the coach was wrong I am no longer allowed to umpire at his school because, according to him, I don't know the rules and I am out to get him.

Look at the bright side - there are plenty of other games for you to work where you'll never see him....maybe even the State Finals! ;)

JJ

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Originally Posted by Gaff (Post 695153)

Even though I was right and the coach was wrong I am no longer allowed to umpire at his school because, according to him, I don't know the rules and I am out to get him.

I dunno about you, but it sounds to me like you're in a win/win situation....;)

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Originally Posted by JaxRolo (Post 695180)

ANY movement of the bat however slight can be construed as an offer. I think it would be hard to win this protest because the Umpire can just say that the bat moved.

Then that umpire is a real Chicken S*** Umpire to begin with.

The dang bat is always moving.

If your not sending the batter to first because you are analyzing the minute movement of the bat, then you need more experience.

Unless it is a REAL obvious attempt here, the batter is heading to first in my games.

My association would tell the coach he has zero influence on which umpires get assigned to his games.

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 695107)

You, as coach, had done EXACTLY what you needed to do in order to determine if you had a valid protest ... clarifying what PU/BU were ruling, and not telling them they were wrong ... right up until you said, "Simply not pulling your bat back is not offering at the pitch." At that moment, instead, you should have protested his misapplication of the rules. BY RULE, he was wrong.

I would have shut you down at the same moment he did. Clarify all you want - once you cross into telling the U the rules, the conversation is over. Don't do that. If a U has the RULE wrong (and not judgement), protest.

But you would have won any protest.

And I agree that the umps didn't have any clue what they were doing if they had both umpires talking to you at the same time.

Depends on where you are and who you protesting to. If a local committee of interested parties they not likely to know any better than any other fan in the stadium. Pick your protests carefully based on situation. If you winning 10-1 in the last inning, it is not a good time. If you losing 10-1 in the last inning it is not a good time. If you down 2-1 in championship game, protest...

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Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 695260)

My association would tell the coach he has zero influence on which umpires get assigned to his games.

What post is this replying to?

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 695313)

What post is this replying to?

Probably #9

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 695314)

Probably #9

Was wondering if it was 9 or 13.

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 695167)

But the rule listed in the casebook DOES address the situation.

I disagree with regard to squaring to bunt. If it were not for the casebook, this situation would be very open to wide interpretation.

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Originally Posted by RadioBlue (Post 695342)

I disagree with regard to squaring to bunt. If it were not for the casebook, this situation would be very open to wide interpretation.

I certainly hope it would not. Fed uses the case book, Fed, OBR & NCAA use AR's. All use clinics and rule interp. meetings. This is pretty basic stuff and should not be loosely interpreted.

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 695314)

Probably #9

Yes. Thank you.