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JJ Sun Sep 19, 2010 09:47pm

Tyler Colvin
 
:eek: Are there any pictures or clips of Tyler Colvin getting drilled (no pun intended) with the broken bat today? I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner. That's exactly the reason MLB and MiLB are considering bans on maple bats...

JJ

GerryB Sun Sep 19, 2010 09:53pm

Colvin in hospital after bat punctures chest | MLB.com: News

Scary.

IowaMike Sun Sep 19, 2010 09:56pm

Pretty scary. I was flipping back and forth between the Cubs and Bears today and just happened to be watching when it happened. A little lower he gets it in the heart, a little higher in the neck. Sounds like he is going to be ok but staying in the hospital for a day or two. If you notice he was watching the ball in left field and never saw the bat coming. Surprised it doesn't happen more often considering how many bats shatter like that.

YouTube - Tyler Colvin impaled by broken bat

grunewar Mon Sep 20, 2010 04:53am

His delayed reaction is what amazed me so much, as it initially appears not to be too bad.

Scary is right! Hope he's ok.

barkmo Mon Sep 20, 2010 09:55am

What is the call if he (Colvin) could not continue? I assume live ball until he is put out.

mbyron Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by barkmo (Post 693058)
What is the call if he (Colvin) could not continue? I assume live ball until he is put out.

Correct. No provision in the rules for anything else.

UmpJM Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:05pm

Michael,

What about:

Quote:

5.10 The ball becomes dead when an umpire calls “Time.” The umpire-in-chief shall call “Time”—

...

(c) When an accident incapacitates a player or an umpire;
?

JM

Mrumpiresir Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:36pm

Play should continue in most situations. Time should be called after all playing action has ceased. (probably after an injured runner has been tagged out).

There are instances where time would be called immediately, when it is apparent that the player needs immediate attention.

mbyron Mon Sep 20, 2010 01:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM) (Post 693076)
Michael,

What about:

?

JM

Are you interpreting that as grounds for stopping play, or as proper procedure once action is complete?

MD Longhorn Mon Sep 20, 2010 01:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM) (Post 693076)
Michael,

What about:

?

JM

That's the rule to use when calling time after play has ceased. Can't imagine doing this while play goes on ... at least not at any shaving level of baseball.

rbmartin Mon Sep 20, 2010 03:27pm

Derek Jeter would have called out a stretcher to carry him to home plate.

Toadman15241 Mon Sep 20, 2010 03:44pm

This is really quite simple. If you think that the 10 second difference between calling time immediately and waiting til action has stopped has the potential to save a player's life or prevent permanent injury then kill the play immediately. Otherwise, wait until action is over.

The situations in which those 10 seconds have the potential to make a difference are so rare that I would guess they occur worldwide maybe once a decade at all levels of ball.

Tim C Mon Sep 20, 2010 04:20pm

Hmmm,
 
John McSherry told us: "if the batter runner rounds first f#$&#$% base and breaks his f#$&#$% leg you don't call f#$&#$% "Time" until all f#$&#$% activity is f#$&#$% DONE. I don't care if the motherf#$&@* is bleeding to death!"

I have always lived with that process.

T

MD Longhorn Mon Sep 20, 2010 04:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim C (Post 693116)
John McSherry told us: "if the batter runner rounds first f#$&#$% base and breaks his f#$&#$% leg you don't call f#$&#$% "Time" until all f#$&#$% activity is f#$&#$% DONE. I don't care if the motherf#$&@* is bleeding to death!"

I have always lived with that process.

T

I agree. I can't even invent a reason to stop play in softball or baseball, or even basketball. Football or hockey ... maybe. Hasn't happened yet, but I can at least invent a situation where it might be truly necessary.

MrUmpire Mon Sep 20, 2010 06:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 693117)
I agree. I can't even invent a reason to stop play in softball or baseball, or even basketball. Football or hockey ... maybe. Hasn't happened yet, but I can at least invent a situation where it might be truly necessary.

Playing devils advocate with a play from a day game:

R3, R2, R1 two outs, batted ball to the outfield. R3 stumbles and breaks his leg. Play cannot continue without following runners passing R3. What then?

bob jenkins Mon Sep 20, 2010 06:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 693125)
Playing devils advocate with a play from a day game:

R3, R2, R1 two outs, batted ball to the outfield. R3 stumbles and breaks his leg. Play cannot continue without following runners passing R3. What then?

Options:

a) R2 picks up R3 and carries him home.

b) R3 is tagged out.

If the ball becomes dead for some other reason (hit or thrown into the stands, for example), the offense is allowed to put in a sub for the injured runner.

grunewar Tue Sep 21, 2010 09:45am

The debate continues over maple bats
 
Colvin's injury stirs debate over maple bats but ban unlikely - USATODAY.com

From the article:

"MLB understands that some players want maple bats banned but has no plans to take such action, said Rob Manfred, executive vice president of labor relations. Maple and ash are the primary types of wood used in the majors, and Manfred says there is not enough ash to meet demand."

Sven K Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:30am

It's just a metter of time before someone is killed. Then MLB will be forced to take action (and defend itself for its inaction to that point).

MD Longhorn Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sven K (Post 693204)
It's just a metter of time before someone is killed. Then MLB will be forced to take action (and defend itself for its inaction to that point).

Just a matter of time? Really? How many games have been played with Maple bats so far?

Sven K Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:06am

When some person (especially someone in the stands) is killed, the number of games played to that point will be small consolation to the family of the diseased. And MLB won't be able to say that there were no indications that it was coming.

The guys like the thin handled bats - presumably because they are similar to non-wooden bats in amateur ball. Dangerous shards are common and are becoming more so. To do nothing is just foolish. There must be some alternatives which would not effect the game much yet would prevent daggers from flying.

grunewar Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:44am

While I'm certainly no Mr. Spelling Guy......
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sven K (Post 693219)
When some person (especially someone in the stands) is killed, the number of games played to that point will be small consolation to the family of the diseased. And MLB won't be able to say that there were no indications that it was coming.

diseased or deceased?

MD Longhorn Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sven K (Post 693219)
When some person (especially someone in the stands) is killed, the number of games played to that point will be small consolation to the family of the diseased. And MLB won't be able to say that there were no indications that it was coming.

The guys like the thin handled bats - presumably because they are similar to non-wooden bats in amateur ball. Dangerous shards are common and are becoming more so. To do nothing is just foolish. There must be some alternatives which would not effect the game much yet would prevent daggers from flying.

What do you suggest then? What would absolutely positively prevent any injuries or diseases from occuring from a possibly shattered bat, something that has a lower percentage of happening than someone getting hit by lightning.

(Speaking of odds ... if your nearest convenience store is 1 1/2 miles from your home, the odds of you being killed in a car accident on the way to the store is 3 times higher than winning the lottery with the ticket you bought at that store... should we legislate no more lottery - it's not safe!!!)

yawetag Tue Sep 21, 2010 01:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 693225)
diseased or deceased?

Well, the fans do have to worry about Maple Wilt, Anthracnose, Tar Spot, and Sapstreak. None of those sound exciting. It's amazing to me we haven't yet seen an increase in these found in baseball players.

Sven K Tue Sep 21, 2010 08:58pm

It took the death of a young girl at a hockey game to motivate the NHL to install nets. How many had died before then? None?

Maybe one death wasn't enough for you. Didn't make it "worth it", I guess.

I'm duly impressed with your high tolerance for the risk borne by other people.

MrUmpire Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:07pm

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...Y-CNIrwpfD9Is=

Sven K Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:04pm

I see your tolerance for others' risk is exceeded only by your intolerance of others' opinions.

SAump Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:35pm

Fan Died
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sven K (Post 693317)
It took the death of a young girl at a hockey game to motivate the NHL to install nets. How many had died before then? None?

Maybe one death wasn't enough for you. Didn't make it "worth it", I guess.

I'm duly impressed with your high tolerance for the risk borne by other people.

A fan was killed by a foul ball at a Texas League game this year. Incident was not covered by the major NEWS networks who practice ambulance chasing on the nightly news. How did you hear about it?

As far as maple bats are concerned, MLB only needs to increase the thickness of the bat handle.

grunewar Sat Sep 25, 2010 07:47am

More Fuel for the "Maple Bat" Fire
 
Another bat explodes; Cliff Lee nicked with splinter behind ear - Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports

Sven K Sat Sep 25, 2010 09:11am

Cliff Lee video. Just a sprinkling of maple.

Top Plays | TEX@OAK: Cust gives A's lead as his bat nicks Lee - Video | texasrangers.com: Multimedia

tjones1 Tue Sep 28, 2010 01:54pm

I was actually at this game. If you watched it you probably saw me as there were only 20 other people at the ballpark. :p

I didn't know what happened until after the game. I saw the trainer come out and two runners scored on the play. I just figured he was the one on second and pulled something rounding 3rd.

I was certainly shocking when we found out afterwards.


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