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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Aug 20, 2010 05:56am

Article about Little League and Instant Replay.
 
I enjoyed reading this article. Too bad more people do not have his take on instant replay.

Replay at Little League World Series sending wrong message - Paul Daugherty - SI.com


MTD, Sr.

JRutledge Fri Aug 20, 2010 06:33am

Very good article and why we need to get rid of replay ideas in baseball. It is not going to make the game better.

Peace

David B Fri Aug 20, 2010 07:11am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 689297)
Very good article and why we need to get rid of replay ideas in baseball. It is not going to make the game better.

Peace

Exactly, and just all the hoopla about it makes it even worse for the game. Just wait, something is going to happen, it does every year, in MLB postseason that will elevate the opinions of many that instant replay is a fix.

Even in football where instant replay has been used for years now, it is not always the fix that they thought it would be.

Thanks
David

PeteBooth Fri Aug 20, 2010 08:28am

Quote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 689294)
I enjoyed reading this article. Too bad more people do not have his take on instant replay.

Replay at Little League World Series sending wrong message - Paul Daugherty - SI.com


MTD, Sr.



Mark as I stated in another thread LL has sold their soul. IMO, MLB might be somewhat behind this idea. After all it was the LLWS that FIRST had IR before MLB adopted it.

MLB is thinking about expanded replay and they need a "test object" to see how it will work and what "kinks" need to be ironed out.


The article was RIGHT ON. If the worst thing that happens to you is that you get hosed sliding into home plate thank your lucky stars. NOTHING is fair and now LL is teaching the kids that no matter what happens to you it can be fixed.

How will they handle a situation where you get laid off from a job because the boss hired his son/daughter even though you are a better worker then either one,

Is that FAIR? - No but it happens. There are other numerous examples.

LL is now a joke.

Pete Booth

LMan Fri Aug 20, 2010 08:49am

Cmon, Pete....its for the children. ;)

UmpJM Fri Aug 20, 2010 09:17am

LMan,

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Originally Posted by LMan (Post 689308)
Cmon, Pete....its for the children... ;)

...of the Little League execs who will inherit all the money they're getting for selling out to ESPN.

JM

LMan Fri Aug 20, 2010 09:38am

...perhaps karma will intervene and the LL Championship Game will end in a tie after all pitchers are expended ;)

rookieblue Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:11am

Outstanding. Simply sparkling. Good stuff, Mr. Daugherty. Thanks for posting this, Mr. DeNucci.

Bob James

Steven Tyler Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:24am

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Originally Posted by PeteBooth (Post 689306)

Is that FAIR?

FAIR is where they pin the blue ribbon on to the prize hog.

yawetag Fri Aug 20, 2010 01:16pm

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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 689327)
FAIR is where they pin the blue ribbon on to the prize hog.

No, it's the part of the field between first and.... oh, jeez, you already know!

JRutledge Fri Aug 20, 2010 01:18pm

Well the first challenge was made just a few seconds ago. The umpire got the call right.

Peace

yawetag Fri Aug 20, 2010 01:22pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 689337)
Well the first challenge was made just a few seconds ago. The umpire got the call right.

Peace

I just checked the ground outside AND the sky. Believe it or not, the ground was warm AND the sky was still there. I'd bet if you checked the Earth from space, it would still be rotating, too.

Amazing.

MOofficial Fri Aug 20, 2010 01:27pm

I like the fact that the homeplate umpire is wearing a different color than the rest of the crew...

I guess the ball bags, chest protector, and face mask didn't give it away that he had the dish during the game.

Little league never seems to amaze me.

MD Longhorn Fri Aug 20, 2010 01:28pm

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Originally Posted by MOofficial (Post 689339)
I like the fact that the homeplate umpire is wearing a different color than the rest of the crew...

I guess the ball bags, chest protector, and face mask didn't give it away that he had the dish during the game.

Little league never seems to amaze me.

He looks like he forgot his uniform and had to wear whatever he had. Tacky... just tacky.

Rich Fri Aug 20, 2010 02:07pm

I guess the last two posters forgot this used to occur in Major League Baseball -- specfically the American League in the late 1990s.

Who really cares about that?

MD Longhorn Fri Aug 20, 2010 02:11pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 689342)
I guess the last two posters forgot this used to occur in Major League Baseball -- specfically the American League in the late 1990s.

Who really cares about that?

I remember seeing it occasionally. It was tacky then too.

Rich Fri Aug 20, 2010 02:20pm

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 689343)
I remember seeing it occasionally. It was tacky then too.

Eh. As long as there are more than 2 umpires, I don't see it as being tacky. Clearly, YM(does) vary.

PeteBooth Fri Aug 20, 2010 02:54pm

Quote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 689337)
Well the first challenge was made just a few seconds ago. The umpire got the call right.

Peace


Rut how long was the delay?

and

What specifically was challeneged?

Also, do you see LL managers stalling to see if "someone" can assist them before making the challenge ala football? In the NFL one of the other coaches (most notably the guys in the upstairs booth) sometimes notifys the head Coach to challenge or they wait to see the play replayed on the Huge scoreboards.

Pete Booth

KJUmp Fri Aug 20, 2010 03:00pm

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Originally Posted by PeteBooth (Post 689348)
Rut how long was the delay?

and

What specifically was challeneged?

Also, do you see LL managers stalling to see if "someone" can assist them before making the challenge ala football? In the NFL one of the other coaches (most notably the guys in the upstairs booth) sometimes notifys the head Coach to challenge or they wait to see the play replayed on the Huge scoreboards.

Pete Booth

Pete, I happened to see it also. Tag play at HP. While he was out of the frame of the camera shot, it looks like PU made the call 3BL extended.
Close play, PU got it right. Challenge/review process did not take a lot of time...possibly less than a minute.

Fittske Fri Aug 20, 2010 06:58pm

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Originally Posted by PeteBooth (Post 689306)
Mark as I stated in another thread LL has sold their soul. IMO, MLB might be somewhat behind this idea. After all it was the LLWS that FIRST had IR before MLB adopted it.

It's actually the other way around. ESPN uses little league to put pressure on MLB to expand instant replay. MLB would rather keep instant replay out of the equation. This is another reason for the expanded coverage at the LL WS. The more games on TV, the better chance that ESPN can get that one play that puts pressure on MLB to give in.

kylejt Fri Aug 20, 2010 08:26pm

I'll bet if MLB sold it to the umpires by giving them 5 man crews, with one in the booth, it might fly. 20% of your games are in air conditioned comfort? Hmmmm.

Steven Tyler Fri Aug 20, 2010 09:33pm

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Originally Posted by Fittske (Post 689366)
It's actually the other way around. ESPN uses little league to put pressure on MLB to expand instant replay. MLB would rather keep instant replay out of the equation. This is another reason for the expanded coverage at the LL WS. The more games on TV, the better chance that ESPN can get that one play that puts pressure on MLB to give in.

Wow, you've added a whole new meaning to the term, "thinking outside the box".

JRutledge Fri Aug 20, 2010 09:53pm

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Originally Posted by PeteBooth (Post 689348)
Rut how long was the delay?

and

What specifically was challeneged?

The delay was probably a couple of minutes I think. But the call was obviously correct on the umpire's part. This was a tag play at the plate where a runner was tagged out before getting the plate (tag was high).

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteBooth (Post 689348)
Also, do you see LL managers stalling to see if "someone" can assist them before making the challenge ala football? In the NFL one of the other coaches (most notably the guys in the upstairs booth) sometimes notifys the head Coach to challenge or they wait to see the play replayed on the Huge scoreboards.

Pete Booth

No this challenge was pretty cut and dry. The coach wanted to challenge the play because it would have had them take the lead in the game. And unless someone has some feed to figure this out before hand, I do not think that is possible to do. Not sure there is any allowance for video equipment to be available to the coaches or bench area. It went pretty smooth, but this as a very obvious call.

Peace

Fittske Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:20pm

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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 689379)
Wow, you've added a whole new meaning to the term, "thinking outside the box".

I wish it was thinking outside the box.... but this is true.

jkumpire Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:53pm

Espn= awful
 
The LL talk is interesting, because as I looked on SportsCenter, they ran with the LL disputed call, then the next reported game was an MLB contest where Ed Hickcox double clutched a banger at 1st, out then safe. Yeah, he was too quick on the call, but he changed it and got it right.

ESPN would rather throw umpires under the bus for ratings in a kids game, just like they want to throw MLB umpires and other officials under the bus for ratings and controversy. So many years ago, when ESPN was just starting, it was such a great network; it was for sports junkies to see sports we didn't get to see, and even had programs where they taught people how to do certain things in sports.

Now it (ESPN) is a bigger circus than Barnum and Bailey, and not nearly as entertaining.


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