CT vs RI New England Regional Video

[REFANDUMP]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

Not even close.
1) The pitch was in the batter's box, where it dosen't belong. Bater's box belongs to the batter,
2) Watch the video again (Part 1), as the pitch comes in the batter starts to lower his stance (watch his knees) as he can see it's going to be a low pitch
and that if he's going to swing at it he's going to have to "go down and get it."

I disagree. Being in the batters box does not eliminate the requirement for a batter to make a reasonable attempt to get out of the way of the pitch as I understand the rule. I'm not claiming that I would have made that ruling, but I do think a legitimate case could be made for making such a call. I will always give the batter the benefit of the doubt if they turn, lean, etc. but I don't feel that this batter necessarily did any of these actions.

[KJUmp]

The pitch was down in the dirt.
His "move" was he started to lower his stance to go down to get the pitch...his initial instinct was to hit the ball.
This sitch was not an example of a batter not making a reasonable effort to aviod a HBP.
As bad as a cluster flub this sitch was 4 umps, 2 of them what...75 ft. away and they can't see an HBP, and then the ensuing "oh let's go to the video replay" by the meddling, all knowing, lets inject ourselves into the umpiring of the game, LLBB Eastern Region administrative and UIC staff, all you have is a missed call. Going with the other call you have a bad application of a rule.

[johnnyg08]

using Papa C's words, only Smitty calls the hitter back for not moving on that pitch...$hitty end of the stick there fellas. No way, no how, (assuming you have a hit by pitch) do you keep the batter batting on that pitch.

[LMan]

The umpire told him that he just wanted to get the call correct.

There was the root of the problem.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

I disagree. Being in the batters box does not eliminate the requirement for a batter to make a reasonable attempt to get out of the way of the pitch as I understand the rule. I'm not claiming that I would have made that ruling, but I do think a legitimate case could be made for making such a call. I will always give the batter the benefit of the doubt if they turn, lean, etc. but I don't feel that this batter necessarily did any of these actions.

I can't believe you really have been doing this for a long time.

The umpire (the guy behind the catcher, not the replay official) didn't even see the ball hit the player, let alone, hit him on purpose.

Do you also brush off the bases?

[REFANDUMP]

Originally Posted by jicecone

I can't believe you really have been doing this for a long time.

The umpire (the guy behind the catcher, not the replay official) didn't even see the ball hit the player, let alone, hit him on purpose.

Do you also brush off the bases?

WHAT DID I SAY THAT DESERVED THIS SMART A** RESPONSE FROM YOU !!! I stated that I PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE MADE THIS CALL however am I incorrect in saying that a batter must make a reasonable attempt to avoid being hit by a pitch ???

F.Y.I. ... I have been umpiring a long time (over 30 years to be exact). I think I have some clue about the game !!!

[jicecone]

Lets start off with the fact that you would even CONSIDER making that call at all, then take it one step further and post the consideration.

I will just let the facts speak for theirself.

[REFANDUMP]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Lets start off with the fact that you would even CONSIDER making that call at all, then take it one step further and post the consideration.

I will just let the facts speak for theirself.

According to the rules, a case could be made for making that call. I agree with you that I would not have based on how far that pitch was off the plate. The point of my original post however, was that (for the sake of discussion) if the umpire ruled that the batter didn't make a reasonable attempt to avoid the pitch, would the replay official be able to reverse the umpires decision ??? I would think not, but was throwing this out as a question.

[johnnyg08]

Please show me where the word "reasonable" is written in the rule book regarding hit by pitch. Take your time. Quit making up rules.

With all due respect sir, length of time umpiring doesn't tell me anything about how well you can umpire.

[kylejt]

JMHO, but if the ball's in the dirt, or the feet, the batter does not have to avoid that one. I actually want them to get hit on those, as it won't be hitting me. No one is going to intentionally let the ball hit them in the ankles/feet. It's not like taking one off the arm or shoulder.

Take your base, son.

[ozzy6900]

Four umpires and none of them saw this? I'm sorry, but this is just poor umpiring. So now, LL is going to try and get every call right by having "board meetings" with each other and then meeting with the "mystery man" behind the back stop? This is a joke! All of this is because of poor training, poor organization and the "need" to keep everyone happy.

This is baseball! Okay, it's LL, but it's still baseball! Umpires are supposed to make decisions and judgement calls. The calls may not be popular and they may not even be correct but that is how the game is supposed to be run. And don't give me that "trying to get the call right" crap because if you really want to go down that road, why not have a do-over because the base coach made a mistake in telling the runner to go? Yeah, and let's have a do-over because F7 dropped the catch. He really tried, so let's do the play over or better yet, record the out! The kid made a great attempt so why take the catch away just because he dropped the ball!

[David B]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Four umpires and none of them saw this? I'm sorry, but this is just poor umpiring. So now, LL is going to try and get every call right by having "board meetings" with each other and then meeting with the "mystery man" behind the back stop? This is a joke! All of this is because of poor training, poor organization and the "need" to keep everyone happy.

This is baseball! Okay, it's LL, but it's still baseball! Umpires are supposed to make decisions and judgement calls. The calls may not be popular and they may not even be correct but that is how the game is supposed to be run. And don't give me that "trying to get the call right" crap because if you really want to go down that road, why not have a do-over because the base coach made a mistake in telling the runner to go? Yeah, and let's have a do-over because F7 dropped the catch. He really tried, so let's do the play over or better yet, record the out! The kid made a great attempt so why take the catch away just because he dropped the ball!

Sadly this is exactly where baseball for kids is heading ... and its getting there quick. Amazed at what I've seen in the last three years happening in kids baseball.

Thanks
David

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by David B

Sadly this is exactly where baseball for kids is heading ... and its getting there quick. Amazed at what I've seen in the last three years happening in kids baseball.

Thanks
David

It's not kids baseball so much as it's LL baseball. LL goes out of their way to exclude a lot of umpires - umpires who would tend to be better than 50th percentile. Because of the way they run things, their pool of possible umpires is both smaller and generally less talented or at least less trained. That's not to say there aren't very good umpires there - but the really good ones are less common there than elsewhere.

I think other organizations have very good training, coaching, and recruiting of good umpires.

[johnnyg08]

I've tried really hard to not do youth baseball anymore, the last one I did, I had three ejections, bench coach, head coach, and catcher. Unbelievable behavior at the youth level by all parties, I couldn't believe it, much less what other umpires have allowed to occur over the course of a game. Basically all over a bunt attempt that I ruled was not a bunt attempt. Absolutely ridiculous.

[GA Umpire]

Despite none of the umpires seeing this. Which I don't know how true that is b/c I see U1 putting his hands up like "Come on, it hit him". That may not be his intentions, but it appears that way to me. I wonder if anyone else saw it that way.

Now, why is PU asking for outside help? This is a judgment call. Not a rule call. He didn't say "It hit him but he made no attempt" (which I won't ever make on a ball in the dirt, that would be a horse$hit call to make at any level). If he is going to do that, he needs to stay with LL or quit umpiring. Again, it comes back to make your own calls and pay attention when making them.

Bad move by the umpire IMO if he is the one insisting on the TD to help with that call. That is his call to make even after the huddle.