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jkumpire Tue Aug 10, 2010 08:54pm

Interesting Ejections, I wonder why?
 
Tempers flare early between Cards, Reds | MLB.com: News

Even though the game is still going on, I thought I would bring this up. I find it interesting that the crew ejected no players, only the two managers after all the pushing and shoving.

Also, unlike most brawls when the crew tries to stay out of it, the crew got buried so deep in the pile, there might have been no player ejections because they could not see the action.

I understand the managers needed to go, and they deserved it, but St. Louis' F2 and Cincy's F4 (whose mouth in the paper started everything) at least should have gone too, plus a couple of other players if the after-action report is right in the story.

The Cardinals F2 in my opinion needs to go since it was obvious he started it. Why he just didn't dial up a brush back pitch on the first pitch and get it over with is amazing. Or better yet, throw the message pitch at him in the 4th, and there is less chance of a brawl.

Comments?

yawetag Tue Aug 10, 2010 09:19pm

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Originally Posted by jkumpire (Post 688404)
Why he just didn't dial up a brush back pitch on the first pitch and get it over with is amazing.

I suppose it would have been better for him (Molina) to be ejected than his pitcher. He got lucky that he didn't.

Matt Tue Aug 10, 2010 09:24pm

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Originally Posted by jkumpire (Post 688404)
The Cardinals F2 in my opinion needs to go since it was obvious he started it.

From what I'm hearing, Phillips tapped him in the leg with his bat, so I wouldn't say it was obvious Molina started it.

Sven K Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:12pm

Phillips was running his mouth yesterday and then pulls that crap at the start of the game. He's a punk who needs to learn how to conduct himself properly.

briancurtin Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:58pm

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 688407)
From what I'm hearing, Phillips tapped him in the leg with his bat, so I wouldn't say it was obvious Molina started it.

Players have been doing that for decades to both catchers and even umpires. It's like saying high and shaking hands...instead of actually shaking hands.

Matt Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:13pm

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Originally Posted by briancurtin (Post 688413)
Players have been doing that for decades to both catchers and even umpires. It's like saying high and shaking hands...instead of actually shaking hands.

It's all about context. You slap a guy on the *** after a home run, it means one thing. You do it in a bar, it means another.

GoodwillRef Wed Aug 11, 2010 07:47am

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 688407)
From what I'm hearing, Phillips tapped him in the leg with his bat, so I wouldn't say it was obvious Molina started it.

Matt, he tried to tap his leg and Molina kicked his bat if you watch closely...then he taps him again. You can't say publicly that you hate a team and then try to be nice the next day...good for Molina.

MD Longhorn Wed Aug 11, 2010 08:17am

I'm betting his Reds teammates were not all that enthused about his actions. He talks smack to the media, then goes up and taps Molina's legs like there's no problem. I'm sure that when it became a fight the Reds (who HAD to go out there to protect a teammate ... but didn't have to like it) didn't exactly have their hearts in it.

Hey, Phillips... talk smack all you want, but walk up to the plate and take one in the shoulderblades - like every other MLB'er before you.

Still can't figure out how Phillips wasn't tossed... nor why the coaches were.

mbyron Wed Aug 11, 2010 08:45am

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 688427)
Still can't figure out how Phillips wasn't tossed... nor why the coaches were.

I suspect that due to the media coverage of Phillips, the umpires told both managers before the game that the first kerfuffle was on them.

yawetag Wed Aug 11, 2010 03:27pm

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 688427)
Still can't figure out how Phillips wasn't tossed... nor why the coaches were.

Phillips? Why? According to reports from both sides of the media, Phillips taps the shins of the catcher and umpire in every game. Other than the statements he made the day before, this action was no different.

MD Longhorn Wed Aug 11, 2010 03:30pm

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Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 688488)
Phillips? Why? According to reports from both sides of the media, Phillips taps the shins of the catcher and umpire in every game. Other than the statements he made the day before, this action was no different.

You don't think that after those comments, the ankle tap was the instigator for this situation?

yawetag Wed Aug 11, 2010 06:40pm

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 688489)
You don't think that after those comments, the ankle tap was the instigator for this situation?

Nope... and I'm a Cardinals fan. Molina instigated the bench clearing.

DG Wed Aug 11, 2010 09:53pm

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Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 688500)
Nope... and I'm a Cardinals fan. Molina instigated the bench clearing.

Phillips...

yawetag Thu Aug 12, 2010 03:35am

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Originally Posted by DG (Post 688511)
Phillips...

I guess if you went back to the previous day, then yes. However, Molina started the bench clearing. Phillips did what he always does and Molina took it as the time to start what was inevitable.

I think we can all agree that had the clearing not happened then, Phillips would have been beaned on the first pitch anyway. In a way, Molina kept his pitcher in the game.

Sven K Thu Aug 12, 2010 07:41am

You don't declare, "I hate the Cardinals." and then go trying to act buddy-buddy the next day at the game.

Molina actually might have saved him from getting plunked in the head.

BretMan Thu Aug 12, 2010 08:47am

It was worse that just saying he hated them. Phillips went on a rant the day before about how the Cards are nothing but a bunch of "whining complainers", referencing an incident that happened last year when pitching coach Dave Duncan accused Reds starter Arroyo of using pine tar on the ball and several complaints the Cards had made that balls used in in the Reds home park were not being sufficiently rubbed up prior to games (them's fighting words- I guess). After declaring his hatred for every every member of the team, Phillips concluded by stating that they were nothing but "a bunch of little b*tches"!

All of which was dutifully reported in the local papers the next morning.

I'm sure we all go on a little rant from time-to-time. Most of us don't do it with a flock of reporters jamming microphones in our face!

DG Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:16pm

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Originally Posted by Sven K (Post 688527)
You don't declare, "I hate the Cardinals." and then go trying to act buddy-buddy the next day at the game.

Molina actually might have saved him from getting plunked in the head.

What an idiot. Flap jaws to the press about the other team and then go to the plate the next day and tap the catcher's shin guards with your bat. Molina might have saved him from getting plunked but I am pretty sure that was not on his mind.

Umpmazza Fri Aug 13, 2010 07:34am

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Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 688500)
Nope... and I'm a Cardinals fan. Molina instigated the bench clearing.

I will disagree here.. that was all Phillips here.. he can't say all that stuff about the Cards, then come out and try to be friends and tap the catchers shin guards like : what's up".. no way.. good job to Molina for standing up and saying something.

bob jenkins Fri Aug 13, 2010 09:46am

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Originally Posted by DG (Post 688595)
go to the plate the next day and tap the catcher's shin guards with your bat.

It's traditional for the lead-off batter to do that to both F2 and PU. (okay -- it's a dying tradition. I don't know if what's-his-name usually followed that or not, or if he hit Molina harder than usual, or ...)

LMan Sat Aug 14, 2010 04:35pm

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 688415)
It's all about context. You slap a guy on the *** after a home run, it means one thing. You do it in a bar, it means another.

You told me it was OK after I bought ya that beer.....;)


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